Hassan ibn Sabb was born in the city of Qom in Persia in 1056 to a family of Ithna

Ashariya Sha! "arly in his life# his family$s fort%nes too& them to 'ayy# abo%t 1(0
&ilometres )*5 miles+ from Iran$s mo,ern-,ay ca.ital city of /ehran! It was in this center
of reli0io%s matrices that Hassan ,e1elo.e, a &een interest in meta.hysical matters# an,
a,here, to the /wel1er Shi$ite co,e of instr%ction!
'ayy was a city that ha, seen a lot of ra,ical tho%0ht since the 2th cent%ry! It ha, seen
Ham,an Qarmat as one of its 1oices! It ha, also seen a lot of missionary wor& by
1ario%s sects# each as im.assione, as the ne3t! /he Ism$l 4ission or 5awa
was a .resence there! /he Ism$l mission wor&e, on three layers6 the lowest was
the foot sol,ier# calle, the 7i,a$ai# then the 'af& or 8comra,e8# an, finally the 5a
or 8missionary8# who wor&e, for the 5awa 84ission8!
9o%n0 Hassan came in to%ch here with Amira 5arrab# a 'afee&# who intro,%ce, him to
the Ism$l ,octrine! :ith this ,octrine# Hassan was %nim.resse,6 he consi,ere, it
to be merely an aberration of tho%0ht# not at all at .ar with the S%nnah! As he met
5arrab# .artici.atin0 in many .assionate ,ebates that ,isc%sse, the merits of Ism$l
o1er 4;s# Hassan$s res.ect 0rew! <ow# becomin0 im.resse, with the con1iction of
5arrab# Hassan ,eci,e, to ,el1e ,ee.er into Ism$l ,octrines an, beliefs! :ith his
characteristic ,e,ication an, fer1or# Hassan s.ent many months obli1io%s to all b%t his
in=%iry6 rea,in0 till late in the ni0ht an, carin0 little for s%stenance an, 1ict%als# Hassan
be0an to see merit in switchin0 to Ism$l eyes! Hassan con1erte, an, swore
alle0iance to the 7atimi, cali.h in >airo! His st%,ies ,i, not en, with his crossin0 o1er!
He f%rther st%,ie, %n,er two other 5aiyyn# an, as he .rocee,e, on his .ath# he
was loo&e, %.on with eyes of res.ect! 7or his yo%n0 a0e# Hassan ha, ,one well!
Hassan$s a%stere an, ,e1ote, commitment to the 5awa bro%0ht him in a%,ience with
the chief 5a of the re0ion6 Ab, al-4ali& ibn Attash! Attash# s%itably im.resse,
with the yo%n0 se1enteen year ol, Hassan# ma,e him ,e.%ty 5a# an, a,1ise, him
to 0o to >airo to f%rther his st%,ies!
Hassan ,i, not forthwith 0o to >airo! Here the life of Hassan 0ets mi3e, with le0en, an,
e3tremes! /here is a .o.%lar le0en, associate, with Hassan# ?mar @hayyAm# an, the
.rime minister of the SelB%& /%r&s# <iCam al-4%l&! /here was a .act amon0st the three6
whoe1er was the fa1ore, of fort%ne wo%l,# in t%rn# hel. the other two! <iCam al-4%l& )the
name translates to 84inister of State8+ rose to a .osition of .rominence in the co%rt of
the /%r&s who r%le, those areas! He 0ot ?mar @hayyAm a..ointe, as co%rt .oet an,
mathematician! Hassan too was then 0rante, an office in the co%rt!
:or&in0 his way %. the hierarchy# Hassan became the Intelli0ence >hief an, be0an to
aim for the .ost of <iCam al-4%l&! Dettin0 a whiff of Hassan$s ambition# <iCam al-4%l&
resol1e, to shame him in front of all the co%rt! An in0enio%s scheme was tho%0ht of6
Hassan too& %.on himself of f%rnishin0 the recor,s of the entire &in0,om in B%st E0 ,ays!
All went smoothly %ntil the final ,ay when Hassan was to .resent the recor,s!
Somebo,y ha, tam.ere, with his .a.ers an, he co%l, not ma&e his .resentation! /he
&in0 )84ali& Shah#8 which are the wor,s for 8@in08 in Arabic an, Persian# res.ecti1ely+
was f%rio%s! He sentence, Hassan to ,eath! It was on the .lea of ?mar @hayyAm that
the sentence was terminate,# an, Hassan was instea, banishe, from the &in0,om!
/here is a 0a. in this le0en,6 <iCam al-4%l& was far senior in a0e to both Hassan an,
?mar# hence the three ha1in0 been .art of a .act is %nli&ely! Some historians ha1e
.ost%late, that Hassan# followin0 his con1ersion# was .layin0 host to some members of
the 7atimi, cali.hate# an, this was lea&e, to the anti-7atimi, an, anti-Sha <iCam
al-4%l&! /his .rom.te, his aban,onin0 'ayy an, hea,in0 to >airo! He left the city in
10*6!
Hassan too& abo%t ( years to reach >airo! Alon0 the way he to%re, many other re0ions
that ,i, not fall in the 0eneral ,irection of "0y.t! Isfahan was the first city that he 1isite,!
He was hoste, by one of his 5aiyyn of yo%th# a man who ha, ta%0ht the yo%thf%l
Hassan in 'ayy! His name was 'esi Ab%fasl# an, he f%rther instr%cte, Hassan! 7rom
here he went to ACerbaiBan# h%n,re,s of miles to the north# an, from there to /%r&ey!
Here he attracte, the ire of .riests followin0 a heate, ,isc%ssion# an, Hassan was
thrown o%t of the town he was in! He then t%rne, so%th an, tra1ele, thro%0h Ira=#
reache, 5amasc%s in Syria! He left for "0y.t from Palestine! 'ecor,s e3ist# some in the
fra0mentary remains of his a%tobio0ra.hy# an, from another bio0ra.hy written by 'ashi,
al-5in /abib in 1F10# to ,ate his arri1al in "0y.t at F0 A%0%st# 10*G!
It is %nclear how lon0 he staye, in "0y.t6 abo%t F years is the %s%ally acce.te, amo%nt
of time! He contin%e, his st%,ies here# an, became a f%ll 5a! /he conce.t that he
stoo, for containe, all at once Shi$ite an, .re-Islamic Dree&# Persian# an, Habylonian
.hiloso.hies! It was Ali an, o.enly o..ose, to the Abassi, S%nnis# whom they so%0ht to
o1erthrowI they also belie1e, in comm%nity ser1ice!
:hilst he was in >airo# st%,yin0 an, .reachin0# he %.set the hi0hly e3citable >hief of
the Army# Ha,r al-Jamal! It is also sai, by later so%rces that the Ismaili Imam->ali.h
al-4%stansir informe, Hassan that his el,er son <iCar wo%l, be the ne3t Imam! Hassan
was briefly im.risone, by Ha,r al-Jamali! /he colla.se of a minaret of the Bail was ta&en
to be an omen in the fa1or of Hassan an, he was .rom.tly release, an, ,e.orte,! /he
shi. that he was tra1elin0 on was wrec&e,! He was resc%e, an, ta&en to Syria!
/ra1elin0 1ia Ale..o an, Ha0h,a,# he terminate, his Bo%rney at Isfahan in 10G1!
Hassan$s life now was totally ,e1ote, to the 5awa! /here was not one .lace in Iran
Hassan ,i, not 1isit! /o the north of Iran# an, to%chin0 the so%th shore of the >as.ian
Sea# are the mo%ntains of AlborC! /hese mo%ntains were home to a .eo.le who ha,
tra,itionally resiste, all attem.ts at s%bB%0ationI this .lace was also of Sha leanin0!
:ithin these mo%ntains# in the re0ion of 5aylam# Hassan chose to .%rs%e his 5a
acti1ities! Hassan became the >hief 5a of that area an, sent his .ersonally traine,
missionaries into the rest of the re0ion! /he news of this Ism$l$s acti1ities reache,
the intolerant <iCam al-4%l&# who ,is.atche, his sol,iers with the or,ers for Hassan$s
ca.t%re! Hassan e1a,e, them# an, went ,ee.er into the mo%ntains!
Ke,itL >a.t%re of Alam%t
Hashshashin fortress of Alam%t!His search for a base from where to 0%i,e his mission
en,e, when he fo%n, the castle of Alam%t# in the '%,bar area# in 10GG! It was a fort that
stoo, 0%ar, to a 1alley that was abo%t fifty &ilometers lon0 an, fi1e &ilometers wi,e! /he
fort ha, been b%ilt abo%t the year G65I le0en, has it that it was b%ilt by a &in0 who saw
his ea0le fly %. to an, .erch %.on a roc&# of which the &in0# :ah S%,an ibn 4arC%ban#
%n,erstoo, the im.ortance! Mi&enin0 the .erchin0 of the ea0le to a lesson 0i1en by it# he
calle, the fort Al%h Am%t6 the 8"a0les /eachin08!
Hassan$s ta&eo1er of the fort was one of silent s%rren,er in the face of ,efeate, o,,s! /o
effect this ta&eo1er Hassan em.loye, an in0enio%s strate0y6 it too& the better .art of two
years to effect! 7irst Hassan sent his 5aiyyn an, 'af&s to win the 1illa0es in the
1alley o1er! <e3t# &ey .eo.le were con1erte, an, in 1020 Hassan too& o1er the fort! It is
sai, that Hassan offere, F000 0ol, ,inars to the fort owner for the amo%nt of lan, that
wo%l, fit a b%ffalo$s hi,e! /he term ha1in0 been a0ree, %.on# Hassan c%t the hi,e in to
stri.s an, Boine, them all o1er alon0 the .erimeter of the fort! /he owner was ,efeate,!
)/his story bears stri&in0 resemblance to Nir0il$s acco%nt of 5i,o$s fo%n,in0 of
>artha0e!+ Hassan 0a1e him a ,raft on the name of a wealthy lan,lor, an, tol, him to
ta&e the money from him! Me0en, f%rther has it that when the lan,lor, saw the ,raft with
Hassan$s si0nat%re# he imme,iately .ai, the amo%nt to the fort owner# astonishin0 him!
:ith Alam%t as his# Hassan ,e1ote, himself so faithf%lly to st%,y# that it is sai, that in all
the years that he was there O almost F5# he ne1er left his =%arters# e3ce.t the two times
when he went %. to the roof! He was st%,yin0# translatin0# .rayin0# fastin0# an, ,irectin0
the acti1ities of the 5awa6 the .ro.a0ation of the <iCar ,octrine was hea,=%artere,
at Alam%t! He &new the Q%r$n by heart# co%l, =%ote e3tensi1ely from the te3ts of most
4%slim sects# an, a.art from .hiloso.hy# he was well 1erse, in mathematics# astronomy
an, alchemy! Hassan was one who fo%n, solace in a%sterity an, fr%0ality! A .io%s life
was one of .rayer an, ,e1otion! Hassan was a charismatic re1ol%tionaryI it was sai,
that by the sheer 0ra1ity of his con1iction he co%l, .ierce the har,est an, most ortho,o3
of hearts an, win them o1er to his si,e!
Di1en the .illars of ,e1ote, a,herence to the .ath of the faith# it is %nli&ely that the
%s%ally acce.te, 8Assassin8 .ost%late is acc%rate! Hassan ha, his son e3ec%te, for
,rin&in0 wine an, another .erson was banishe, from Alam%t for .layin0 the fl%te! /he
theories of Hassan bein0 associate, with Hashish are# at best# ,ebatable! 7%rthermore
there ha1e emer0e, traces that there was a name 0i1en to Alam%t by the .eo.le with
<iCar leanin0s6 al-Assas 8the fo%n,ation8! It was the base for all o.erations that
Hassan wishe, to effect! 4embers of al-Assas were &nown as al-Assasn!
7rom this .oint on his comm%nity an, its branches s.rea, thro%0ho%t Iran an, Syria an,
came to be calle, Hashshashin or Assassins# an Islamic mystery c%lt!
Hassan was e3tremely strict an, ,isci.line,! /he e1ent of the Dreat 'es%rrection )al-
=iymat al-&%br+ occ%rre, %n,er the later Ismaili Imam Hasan ala-,hi&rihi as-salaam
in 116E!
<ot m%ch is &nown abo%t Hassan# b%t le0en,s abo%n, as to the tactics %se, to in,%ct
members into his =%asi-reli0io%s .olitical or0aniCation! A f%t%re assassin was s%bBecte,
to rites 1ery similar to those of other mystery c%lts in which the s%bBect was ma,e to
belie1e that he was in imminent ,an0er of ,eath! H%t the twist of the assassins was that
they ,r%00e, the .erson to sim%late a 8,yin08 to later ha1e them awa&en in a 0ar,en
flowin0 with wine an, ser1e, a s%m.t%o%s feast by 1ir0ins! /he s%..licant was then
con1ince, he was in Hea1en an, that Sabbah was a re.resentati1e of the ,i1inity an,
that all of his or,ers sho%l, be followe,# e1en to ,eath! /his le0en, ,eri1es from 4arco
Polo# who 1isite, Alam%t B%st after it fell to the 4on0ols in the thirteenth cent%ry!
?ther acco%nts of the in,octrination attest that the f%t%re assassins were bro%0ht to
Alam%t at a yo%n0 a0e an,# while they mat%re,# inhabite, the aforementione,
.ara,isaical 0ar,ens an, were &e.t ,r%00e, with hashishI as in the .re1io%s 1ersion#
Hassan occ%.ie, this 0ar,en as a ,i1ine emissary! At a certain .oint )when their
initiation co%l, be sai, to ha1e be0%n+ the ,r%0 was with,rawn from them# an, they were
remo1e, from the 0ar,ens an, fl%n0 into a ,%n0eon! /here they were informe, that# if
they wishe, to ret%rn to the .ara,ise they ha, so recently enBoye, it wo%l, be at
Sabbah$s ,iscretion# an, that they m%st therefore follow his ,irections e3actly# %. to an,
incl%,in0 m%r,er an, self-sacrifice!
sinasayan
05-1(-(00G# 116(E A4
Hassan ibn Sabb was born in the city of Qom in Persia in 1056 to a family of Ithna
Ashariya Sha! "arly in his life# his family$s fort%nes too& them to 'ayy# abo%t 1(0
&ilometres )*5 miles+ from Iran$s mo,ern-,ay ca.ital city of /ehran! It was in this center
of reli0io%s matrices that Hassan ,e1elo.e, a &een interest in meta.hysical matters# an,
a,here, to the /wel1er Shi$ite co,e of instr%ction!
'ayy was a city that ha, seen a lot of ra,ical tho%0ht since the 2th cent%ry! It ha, seen
Ham,an Qarmat as one of its 1oices! It ha, also seen a lot of missionary wor& by
1ario%s sects# each as im.assione, as the ne3t! /he Ism$l 4ission or 5awa
was a .resence there! /he Ism$l mission wor&e, on three layers6 the lowest was
the foot sol,ier# calle, the 7i,a$ai# then the 'af& or 8comra,e8# an, finally the 5a
or 8missionary8# who wor&e, for the 5awa 84ission8!
9o%n0 Hassan came in to%ch here with Amira 5arrab# a 'afee&# who intro,%ce, him to
the Ism$l ,octrine! :ith this ,octrine# Hassan was %nim.resse,6 he consi,ere, it
to be merely an aberration of tho%0ht# not at all at .ar with the S%nnah! As he met
5arrab# .artici.atin0 in many .assionate ,ebates that ,isc%sse, the merits of Ism$l
o1er 4;s# Hassan$s res.ect 0rew! <ow# becomin0 im.resse, with the con1iction of
5arrab# Hassan ,eci,e, to ,el1e ,ee.er into Ism$l ,octrines an, beliefs! :ith his
characteristic ,e,ication an, fer1or# Hassan s.ent many months obli1io%s to all b%t his
in=%iry6 rea,in0 till late in the ni0ht an, carin0 little for s%stenance an, 1ict%als# Hassan
be0an to see merit in switchin0 to Ism$l eyes! Hassan con1erte, an, swore
alle0iance to the 7atimi, cali.h in >airo! His st%,ies ,i, not en, with his crossin0 o1er!
He f%rther st%,ie, %n,er two other 5aiyyn# an, as he .rocee,e, on his .ath# he
was loo&e, %.on with eyes of res.ect! 7or his yo%n0 a0e# Hassan ha, ,one well!
Hassan$s a%stere an, ,e1ote, commitment to the 5awa bro%0ht him in a%,ience with
the chief 5a of the re0ion6 Ab, al-4ali& ibn Attash! Attash# s%itably im.resse,
with the yo%n0 se1enteen year ol, Hassan# ma,e him ,e.%ty 5a# an, a,1ise, him
to 0o to >airo to f%rther his st%,ies!
Hassan ,i, not forthwith 0o to >airo! Here the life of Hassan 0ets mi3e, with le0en, an,
e3tremes! /here is a .o.%lar le0en, associate, with Hassan# ?mar @hayyAm# an, the
.rime minister of the SelB%& /%r&s# <iCam al-4%l&! /here was a .act amon0st the three6
whoe1er was the fa1ore, of fort%ne wo%l,# in t%rn# hel. the other two! <iCam al-4%l& )the
name translates to 84inister of State8+ rose to a .osition of .rominence in the co%rt of
the /%r&s who r%le, those areas! He 0ot ?mar @hayyAm a..ointe, as co%rt .oet an,
mathematician! Hassan too was then 0rante, an office in the co%rt!
:or&in0 his way %. the hierarchy# Hassan became the Intelli0ence >hief an, be0an to
aim for the .ost of <iCam al-4%l&! Dettin0 a whiff of Hassan$s ambition# <iCam al-4%l&
resol1e, to shame him in front of all the co%rt! An in0enio%s scheme was tho%0ht of6
Hassan too& %.on himself of f%rnishin0 the recor,s of the entire &in0,om in B%st E0 ,ays!
All went smoothly %ntil the final ,ay when Hassan was to .resent the recor,s!
Somebo,y ha, tam.ere, with his .a.ers an, he co%l, not ma&e his .resentation! /he
&in0 )84ali& Shah#8 which are the wor,s for 8@in08 in Arabic an, Persian# res.ecti1ely+
was f%rio%s! He sentence, Hassan to ,eath! It was on the .lea of ?mar @hayyAm that
the sentence was terminate,# an, Hassan was instea, banishe, from the &in0,om!
/here is a 0a. in this le0en,6 <iCam al-4%l& was far senior in a0e to both Hassan an,
?mar# hence the three ha1in0 been .art of a .act is %nli&ely! Some historians ha1e
.ost%late, that Hassan# followin0 his con1ersion# was .layin0 host to some members of
the 7atimi, cali.hate# an, this was lea&e, to the anti-7atimi, an, anti-Sha <iCam
al-4%l&! /his .rom.te, his aban,onin0 'ayy an, hea,in0 to >airo! He left the city in
10*6!
Hassan too& abo%t ( years to reach >airo! Alon0 the way he to%re, many other re0ions
that ,i, not fall in the 0eneral ,irection of "0y.t! Isfahan was the first city that he 1isite,!
He was hoste, by one of his 5aiyyn of yo%th# a man who ha, ta%0ht the yo%thf%l
Hassan in 'ayy! His name was 'esi Ab%fasl# an, he f%rther instr%cte, Hassan! 7rom
here he went to ACerbaiBan# h%n,re,s of miles to the north# an, from there to /%r&ey!
Here he attracte, the ire of .riests followin0 a heate, ,isc%ssion# an, Hassan was
thrown o%t of the town he was in! He then t%rne, so%th an, tra1ele, thro%0h Ira=#
reache, 5amasc%s in Syria! He left for "0y.t from Palestine! 'ecor,s e3ist# some in the
fra0mentary remains of his a%tobio0ra.hy# an, from another bio0ra.hy written by 'ashi,
al-5in /abib in 1F10# to ,ate his arri1al in "0y.t at F0 A%0%st# 10*G!
It is %nclear how lon0 he staye, in "0y.t6 abo%t F years is the %s%ally acce.te, amo%nt
of time! He contin%e, his st%,ies here# an, became a f%ll 5a! /he conce.t that he
stoo, for containe, all at once Shi$ite an, .re-Islamic Dree&# Persian# an, Habylonian
.hiloso.hies! It was Ali an, o.enly o..ose, to the Abassi, S%nnis# whom they so%0ht to
o1erthrowI they also belie1e, in comm%nity ser1ice!
:hilst he was in >airo# st%,yin0 an, .reachin0# he %.set the hi0hly e3citable >hief of
the Army# Ha,r al-Jamal! It is also sai, by later so%rces that the Ismaili Imam->ali.h
al-4%stansir informe, Hassan that his el,er son <iCar wo%l, be the ne3t Imam! Hassan
was briefly im.risone, by Ha,r al-Jamali! /he colla.se of a minaret of the Bail was ta&en
to be an omen in the fa1or of Hassan an, he was .rom.tly release, an, ,e.orte,! /he
shi. that he was tra1elin0 on was wrec&e,! He was resc%e, an, ta&en to Syria!
/ra1elin0 1ia Ale..o an, Ha0h,a,# he terminate, his Bo%rney at Isfahan in 10G1!
Hassan$s life now was totally ,e1ote, to the 5awa! /here was not one .lace in Iran
Hassan ,i, not 1isit! /o the north of Iran# an, to%chin0 the so%th shore of the >as.ian
Sea# are the mo%ntains of AlborC! /hese mo%ntains were home to a .eo.le who ha,
tra,itionally resiste, all attem.ts at s%bB%0ationI this .lace was also of Sha leanin0!
:ithin these mo%ntains# in the re0ion of 5aylam# Hassan chose to .%rs%e his 5a
acti1ities! Hassan became the >hief 5a of that area an, sent his .ersonally traine,
missionaries into the rest of the re0ion! /he news of this Ism$l$s acti1ities reache,
the intolerant <iCam al-4%l&# who ,is.atche, his sol,iers with the or,ers for Hassan$s
ca.t%re! Hassan e1a,e, them# an, went ,ee.er into the mo%ntains!
Ke,itL >a.t%re of Alam%t
Hashshashin fortress of Alam%t!His search for a base from where to 0%i,e his mission
en,e, when he fo%n, the castle of Alam%t# in the '%,bar area# in 10GG! It was a fort that
stoo, 0%ar, to a 1alley that was abo%t fifty &ilometers lon0 an, fi1e &ilometers wi,e! /he
fort ha, been b%ilt abo%t the year G65I le0en, has it that it was b%ilt by a &in0 who saw
his ea0le fly %. to an, .erch %.on a roc&# of which the &in0# :ah S%,an ibn 4arC%ban#
%n,erstoo, the im.ortance! Mi&enin0 the .erchin0 of the ea0le to a lesson 0i1en by it# he
calle, the fort Al%h Am%t6 the 8"a0les /eachin08!
Hassan$s ta&eo1er of the fort was one of silent s%rren,er in the face of ,efeate, o,,s! /o
effect this ta&eo1er Hassan em.loye, an in0enio%s strate0y6 it too& the better .art of two
years to effect! 7irst Hassan sent his 5aiyyn an, 'af&s to win the 1illa0es in the
1alley o1er! <e3t# &ey .eo.le were con1erte, an, in 1020 Hassan too& o1er the fort! It is
sai, that Hassan offere, F000 0ol, ,inars to the fort owner for the amo%nt of lan, that
wo%l, fit a b%ffalo$s hi,e! /he term ha1in0 been a0ree, %.on# Hassan c%t the hi,e in to
stri.s an, Boine, them all o1er alon0 the .erimeter of the fort! /he owner was ,efeate,!
)/his story bears stri&in0 resemblance to Nir0il$s acco%nt of 5i,o$s fo%n,in0 of
>artha0e!+ Hassan 0a1e him a ,raft on the name of a wealthy lan,lor, an, tol, him to
ta&e the money from him! Me0en, f%rther has it that when the lan,lor, saw the ,raft with
Hassan$s si0nat%re# he imme,iately .ai, the amo%nt to the fort owner# astonishin0 him!
:ith Alam%t as his# Hassan ,e1ote, himself so faithf%lly to st%,y# that it is sai, that in all
the years that he was there O almost F5# he ne1er left his =%arters# e3ce.t the two times
when he went %. to the roof! He was st%,yin0# translatin0# .rayin0# fastin0# an, ,irectin0
the acti1ities of the 5awa6 the .ro.a0ation of the <iCar ,octrine was hea,=%artere,
at Alam%t! He &new the Q%r$n by heart# co%l, =%ote e3tensi1ely from the te3ts of most
4%slim sects# an, a.art from .hiloso.hy# he was well 1erse, in mathematics# astronomy
an, alchemy! Hassan was one who fo%n, solace in a%sterity an, fr%0ality! A .io%s life
was one of .rayer an, ,e1otion! Hassan was a charismatic re1ol%tionaryI it was sai,
that by the sheer 0ra1ity of his con1iction he co%l, .ierce the har,est an, most ortho,o3
of hearts an, win them o1er to his si,e!
Di1en the .illars of ,e1ote, a,herence to the .ath of the faith# it is %nli&ely that the
%s%ally acce.te, 8Assassin8 .ost%late is acc%rate! Hassan ha, his son e3ec%te, for
,rin&in0 wine an, another .erson was banishe, from Alam%t for .layin0 the fl%te! /he
theories of Hassan bein0 associate, with Hashish are# at best# ,ebatable! 7%rthermore
there ha1e emer0e, traces that there was a name 0i1en to Alam%t by the .eo.le with
<iCar leanin0s6 al-Assas 8the fo%n,ation8! It was the base for all o.erations that
Hassan wishe, to effect! 4embers of al-Assas were &nown as al-Assasn!
7rom this .oint on his comm%nity an, its branches s.rea, thro%0ho%t Iran an, Syria an,
came to be calle, Hashshashin or Assassins# an Islamic mystery c%lt!
Hassan was e3tremely strict an, ,isci.line,! /he e1ent of the Dreat 'es%rrection )al-
=iymat al-&%br+ occ%rre, %n,er the later Ismaili Imam Hasan ala-,hi&rihi as-salaam
in 116E!
<ot m%ch is &nown abo%t Hassan# b%t le0en,s abo%n, as to the tactics %se, to in,%ct
members into his =%asi-reli0io%s .olitical or0aniCation! A f%t%re assassin was s%bBecte,
to rites 1ery similar to those of other mystery c%lts in which the s%bBect was ma,e to
belie1e that he was in imminent ,an0er of ,eath! H%t the twist of the assassins was that
they ,r%00e, the .erson to sim%late a 8,yin08 to later ha1e them awa&en in a 0ar,en
flowin0 with wine an, ser1e, a s%m.t%o%s feast by 1ir0ins! /he s%..licant was then
con1ince, he was in Hea1en an, that Sabbah was a re.resentati1e of the ,i1inity an,
that all of his or,ers sho%l, be followe,# e1en to ,eath! /his le0en, ,eri1es from 4arco
Polo# who 1isite, Alam%t B%st after it fell to the 4on0ols in the thirteenth cent%ry!
?ther acco%nts of the in,octrination attest that the f%t%re assassins were bro%0ht to
Alam%t at a yo%n0 a0e an,# while they mat%re,# inhabite, the aforementione,
.ara,isaical 0ar,ens an, were &e.t ,r%00e, with hashishI as in the .re1io%s 1ersion#
Hassan occ%.ie, this 0ar,en as a ,i1ine emissary! At a certain .oint )when their
initiation co%l, be sai, to ha1e be0%n+ the ,r%0 was with,rawn from them# an, they were
remo1e, from the 0ar,ens an, fl%n0 into a ,%n0eon! /here they were informe, that# if
they wishe, to ret%rn to the .ara,ise they ha, so recently enBoye, it wo%l, be at
Sabbah$s ,iscretion# an, that they m%st therefore follow his ,irections e3actly# %. to an,
incl%,in0 m%r,er an, self-sacrifice!
Mhor&an
05-1(-(00G# 116FG A4
tlI,r
HannahIs4y<ame
05-1(-(00G# 1(61* P4
,i, % 0et that off wi&i.e,ia# i was B%st rea,in0 that on it abo%t 10 min%tes a0o
4c4asterJ
05-1(-(00G# 1(61* P4
>on0rats! 9o% &now how to %se :i&i.e,ia! <ow %se 0oo0le an, fin, me the ,efinition of
,es%ltory!
altaire0o
05-1(-(00G# 1(6(6 P4
rea, Hernar, Mewis too -- this 0%ys$ .ost is corroborate, by him!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1F-(00G# 1(601 A4
:ell# it ,oes say at the be0innin0 of the 0ame that it$s base, on real historical characters
altaire0o
05-1F-(00G# 0*6F6 A4
while on to.ic of assassins6 ,oes anyone ha1e ,etaile, info on the Assassin hotca&es
that they left by their 1ictimQ why ca&eQ
why ,i, n$t they eat them on the way to the assassinationQ i bet they 0ot h%n0ry! or were
they .oisone,Q
Scythe?fDrim
05-1F-(00G# 026F6 A4
?ooh!!! can$t wait for 4o==y to fin, this!!! htt.6RRfor%ms!%bi!comRima0esRsmiliesR52!0if
altaire0o
05-1F-(00G# 026F* A4
Drim# tell him
@a3en6
05-1F-(00G# 106FG A4
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while on to.ic of assassins6 ,oes anyone ha1e ,etaile, info on the Assassin hotca&es
that they left by their 1ictimQ why ca&eQ
why ,i, n$t they eat them on the way to the assassinationQ i bet they 0ot h%n0ry! or were
they .oisone,Q SR,i1VSRHM?>@QT?/"V
W0tIPW0tI I$1e been insane eno%0h to attem.t to fin, o%t if for some reason the reci.e is
floatin0 online!!! b%t I only fo%n, reci.es for coo&ies an, c%rry!!! -P-$ information
alto0ether on assassin ca&e is har, to fin,! /ho%0h the ca&e that Sinan left for Sala,in
was .oisone,!!!
HannahIs4y<ame
05-1F-(00G# 106E1 A4
I .robably wo%l,n$t fair 1ery well in that time then! If i wo&e %. an, fo%n, a ca&e besi,e
me i wo%l, .robably eat it!
@a3en6
05-1F-(00G# 106EG A4
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title8V=%ote6SR,i1VS,i1 classU8i.-%bbco,e-=%ote-content8V?ri0inally .oste, by
HannahIs4y<ame6
I .robably wo%l,n$t fair 1ery well in that time then! If i wo&e %. an, fo%n, a ca&e besi,e
me i wo%l, .robably eat it! SR,i1VSRHM?>@QT?/"V
"1en ca&e left behin, by someone with the intention to shan& yo% if yo% ,on$t cease an,
,esist whate1er it is yo% are ,oin0 to ma&e them .isse, offQ
HannahIs4y<ame
05-1F-(00G# 10651 A4
hmmm i ,on$t &now# ,e.en,s on what fla1o%r ca&e it was!
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HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1F-(00G# 1161( A4
All ca&e is 0oo,! >a&e is a 0oo, way to ,ie
HannahIs4y<ame
05-1F-(00G# 1161* A4
i a0ree with % bobfish# all ca&e is 0oo,# es.ecially chocolate ca&e!
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HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1F-(00G# 116(0 A4
4aybe it wasn$t really .oisone,! 4aybe the Hash X Ashin ma,e an!!!ahem# s.ace ca&e
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HannahIs4y<ame
05-1F-(00G# 116(F A4
htt.6RRfor%ms!%bi!comR0ro%.eePcommonRemoticonsRiconPbi00rin!0if maybe
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1F-(00G# 116(E A4
?r maybe it was both! So yo%$, hall%cinate to ,eath
mo==y
05-1F-(00G# 116(E A4
Al m%alim wo%l, be Sinan# not Hasan Sabbah!
/he whole ca&e thin0 so%n,s li&e a myth! I ,on$t remember if it has been .ro1en it is a
myth# b%t they trie, to &ill Sala,in twice# an, faile,! If they co%l, lea1e a .oisone, ca&e
ne3t to him# how co%l,n$t they &ill himQ
An, altaire0o yo% mentione, 8ca&es that thye left by their 1ictim8# the le0en, only says
they left it once# to Sala,in
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1F-(00G# 116(5 A4
H%t myhts are more f%n when yo% ta&e fli0hts of fancy with the tr%th an, t%rn them into
somethin0 .atently ri,ic%lo%s
mo==y
05-1F-(00G# 116(2 A4
An, after rea,in0 the ori0inal .ost a little bit# it e1en mentions the ,r%00in0 of the
assassins an, the 0ar,ens
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He ,i,n$t co.y that from a 1ery reliable so%rce# it seems
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1F-(00G# 116F0 A4
:hat ma&es yo% say thatQ
mo==y
05-1F-(00G# 116F* A4
:hatQ Are yo% craCyQ
If yo% want a reliable so%rce abo%t the assassins# this is a 0oo, one!
htt.6RRwww!accam.bell!%&lin%3!netRassassinsRassassins-htmlRsinan!html
>ha.ter E for the assassins also seen in A>! /hose are the ones who they sho%l, be
base, off!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1F-(00G# 116E0 A4
9o%r correct answer sho%l, ha1e been 8wi&i.e,ia is written by YYYYYYba0s8 b%t that wor&s
too
mo==y
05-1F-(00G# 116E( A4
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HobfishPAlmi0ht6
9o%r correct answer sho%l, ha1e been 8wi&i.e,ia is written by YYYYYYba0s8 b%t that wor&s
too SR,i1VSRHM?>@QT?/"V
It$s not from :i&i.e,ia!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1F-(00G# 116E6 A4
/hat$s besi,e the .oint 8wi&i.e,ia is written by YYYYYYba0s8 beats all other ar0%ments
Hlair>%llen0(
05-1F-(00G# 1(61E P4
It$s f%nny! /he to.ic creator hasn$t sai, anythin0 yet!
/he ca&e is a lie!!!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1F-(00G# 1(61* P4
"1erythin0 is .ermitte,
altaire0o
05-1F-(00G# 01652 P4
nothin0 is tr%e -- not e1en the scanty info on assassins then! what a shame
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HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 0*6EG A4
Aww# Ma,y A Yhorse h%0sY ,on$t be afrai,! /his means yo% can ,o anythin0 yo% want to
AltaXr an, ne1er be .rosec%te, beca%se his alle0ation is ma,e false by his own
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altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 0*656 A4
what an interestin0 s%00estion! ill .%nish him for stic&in0 his robes into my la%n,ry!
anyway# bac& to the to.ic! ismailis were hi0hly .olitical relyin0 on their reli0io%s i,eolo0y
-- some Boine, them not necessarily beca%se they belie1e, b%t beca%se ismailis
a..eare, to fi0ht for the little 0%y!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 0G61F A4
9eah# that$s 1ery tr%e! Hence the first tenet of the >ree,
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 0G6(0 A4
the 1st tenet is a real one6 i B%st rea, that assassins were h%ntin0 bi0 .rey# no collateral
,ama0e was to occ%r!
as for the other two6 assassinations were as .%blic as .ossible an, the brothers ,i, not
bother ma&in0 an esca.e .lan! brotherhoo, com.romise,!!!
sinasayan
05-1E-(00G# 0G6(5 A4
i .oste, it as a 1ery well &nown thin0!! beca%se!! its ob1io%s that al m%allim is hasan
sabbah!!then i realiCe, that yo% 0%ys ,ont aware of eastern history an, the entry i
.oste, its =%ite lon0 ) Hy the way its from wi&i.e,ia here is the lin&
htt.6RRen!wi&i.e,ia!or0Rwi&iRHassan-iPSabbah+
let me 0i1e yo% short history of him!! hasan sabbah create, the first .lanne, terrorist
or0anisation in the history which calle, 8hashasin8! hashas is a .lant which marih%ana
ma,e of! hasan sabbah .re.are, a ma0nificient 0ar,en in the fortress of
alam%t)htt.6RRim0!blo0c%!comR%.loa,sR&arna1alPAlamoot!B.0+ fille, it with bea%tif%l
women an, fr%its!! 0a1e yo%n0 men hashas)marih%ana+ an, sai, them 8e1ery reli0ion
offers yo% hea1en!! i am showin0 it to yo%8 with the effect of ano,yne they tho%0h that its
real!! an, to reach 8the hea1en8 a0ain! they became a sol,ier of hasan sabbah! the wor,
of 8assasin8 came from 8hashasin8 hashasin means a,,icte, to hashas!!) yo% can loo&
ro0er crowley$s boo&s abo%t that+ an, another thin0!! al m%allim means 8 the teacher8 in
arabic lan0%a0e ! the hashasins were callin0 hasan sabbah as al m%allim also!! this is
too ob1io%s i trie, to e3.lain i &now my en0lish is not eno%0h!! its best i can ,o! if yo%
.eo.le want more information abo%t him! 'ea, the fortress of alam%t!!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 0G6(5 A4
/hat$s ,ebatable! /here$s eno%0h e1i,ence to s%00est that they either ma,e as bi0 a
show of the assassination as .ossible# for the ob1io%s .sycholo0ical im.act! ?r that they
&e.t it as =%iet as .ossible an, then ha, moles ma&in0 wil, as.ersions abo%t it bein0 a
really .%blic e1ent %ntil .eo.le belie1e, it
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 0G6(2 A4
they e1en contacte, mon0ols a0ainst their enemy @horaCm before those 0%ys ,eci,e,
ismailis were tro%blesome an, crashe, them!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 0G6FF A4
/he 4on0ols# Den0his @han in .artic%lar# are the first .eo.les re.orte, to %se
.sycholo0ical warfare!
Sina 6 Some of %s ,o &now mate! 5on$t worry# yo%r "n0lish is was fine! It$s B%st that any
historical 8tr%ths8 will always be challen0e, by those who ha1e hear, other 8tr%ths8
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 0G6F6 A4
yea# when yo% 0et 10 000 horse archers char0in0 an, then win0in0 away after a hail of
arrows!!! that ten,s to ma&e an im.ression! they bro&e my co%ntry too!!! B%st so e%ro.e
co%l, be safe!!!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 0G6E0 A4
/hey ,i,n$t e1en nee, to be that o1ert! /hey$, sen, some of their own .eo.le in a few
,ays or wee&s before han, to s.rea, r%mo%rs abo%t what the barbaric hoar,s ha, ,one
at the .re1io%s 1illa0e! 8/hey eat babies8# 85i, yo% hear that they c%t o%t their own
ton0%es in a fer1o%r of loyaltyQ8 thin0s li&e that! So by the time @hans army was 1isible#
they$, scar.er shar.ish
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 0G6E( A4
witho%t e1i,ence har, to belie1e tho%0h -- %nless some s%r1i1ors fle, or were let 0o by
mon0ols s.rea, it! an, r%mo%r ta&es root faster an, firmer with a little e1i,ence
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 0G6EE A4
A0ree,! H%t there$s eno%0h e1i,ence to .ro1e# as m%ch as we can .ro1e anythin0# that
r%mo%r was @hans first wea.on! of co%rse# we also &now that he was more than willin0
to bac& it %. with action! /he ,%,e ha, somethin0 li&e 150 &i,s as well
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 0G650 A4
he ha, a fri00in0 em.ire from china to .olan,
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 0G651 A4
/he entire &nown worl, at the time
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 0G65F A4
r%mo%r ma,e it easier for him6 he ne1er ha, to ta&e the ismaili fortresses by force! they
sim.ly s%rren,ere, them!!!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 0G655 A4
"3actly! ?f co%rse# the fact that he co%l, =%ite easily ha1e ta&en them by force anyway
,i, ma&e his Bob a lot easier
@a3en6
05-1E-(00G# 02602 A4
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title8V=%ote6SR,i1VS,i1 classU8i.-%bbco,e-=%ote-content8V?ri0inally .oste, by altaire0o6
r%mo%r ma,e it easier for him6 he ne1er ha, to ta&e the ismaili fortresses by force! they
sim.ly s%rren,ere, them!!! SR,i1VSRHM?>@QT?/"V
?ne fortress s%rren,ere, on acco%nt of r%nnin0 o%t of clean clothes ?Po
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 0261( A4
0oo, one &a3!
they ,i, nt ha1e altair$s bleach! btw# is he 0i1in0 to me anytime soonQ
maybe beca%se he &new fi0htin0 in the mo%ntains %.hill co%l, be har, on archers an,
horses! so why waste themQ
"5I/6 here is an interestin0 one6 assassins .ai, hos.itallers trib%te!!! well# well# well!!!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 0265( A4
/hey ,i, what they ha, to to s%r1i1e
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 1060G A4
not only that!
they realiCe, that ta&in0 o%t one master meant that another wo%l, ta&e his .lace -- al
m%alim calle, it a hy,ra! b%t if yo% &ille, a monarch who is a symbol of a centralise,
0o1ernment!! then yo% ,efinitely ma&e a .oint an, a mess!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 10611 A4
Hetter the ,e1il yo% &now than the ,e1il yo% ,on$t# as they say
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 1061F A4
same sit%ation with al =%e,a6 &ill one 0%y# another .o.s %.! m%st$1e learne, from the
tem.lars!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 1061E A4
I thin& the Al$Qae,a thin0 has been hea1ily o1erstate, .ersonally
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 10616 A4
,ear bin la,en is still o%t there -- that$s my &in,a man! stay hi,,en! they$ll ne1er fin, him!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 1061* A4
H%t what has he really# act%ally ,one latelyQ
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 10612 A4
he ,oes not ha1e to ,o anythin0! fear of him is alrea,y so bi0 that all he has to ,o is B%st
stay o%t of the way# really!
let the americans fri0hten themsel1es into a heartattac& an, his wor&$ll be ,one for him
by them!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 106(( A4
"3actly the .oint I was ma&in0
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 106(* A4
the one thin0 abo%t ismailis6 they ,i, not set themsel1es %. as assassins! rather# they
%se, m%r,er as a terrorist thin0! this is what ha..ens when .olitics an, reli0ion mi3!!!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 106(2 A4
Isn$t reli0ion B%st really a more se1ere form of .olitics anywayQ
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 106F( A4
yo% &now whatQ that is 1ery interestin06 reli0ion as .olitics! not only more se1ere6 more
,o0matic an, moralistic!!! therefore# more stic&y an, messy!
B%st loo& at the in=%isition6 %sin0 tort%re as reli0io%sly sanctione, means for a .olitical
en, of maintainin0 control of the .o.%lation$s thin&in0
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 106F5 A4
"1en when reli0ion has been inten,e, to free the .eo.le# others ha1e %se, it to ensla1e
an, control for their own nee,s! I thin&# once a0ain that .erha.s this re=%ires a threa, of
it$s own beca%se we$1e 0one ,rastically off to.ic
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 1065G A4
as far as i can see# the assassins were not a mystery c%lt b%t ismailis!
the whole .ai, m%r,er thin06 they allie, with thir, .arties who fi0%re, to %se them an,
then ,itch them for their own en,s! the ismailis ha, territories li&e .rinci.alities so they
ha, to .rotect them -- that meant .layin0 .olitics with others aro%n, them! thir, .arties
,i, not hire them so m%ch as collaborate,!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 11600 A4
Politics is# %nfort%nately# B%st a .art of the H%man con,ition
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 1160E A4
b%t why co%l, nt they stay %nifie,Q that$s the one =%estion abo%t the ismailis an, other
sects that i am still .%CClin0 o1er!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 11605 A4
Politics ine1itably lea,s to ,ifference of o.inion an, th%s schism
altaire0o
05-1E-(00G# 11615 A4
they s.lit o1er how to .ic& teeth for 0o,s sa&esZ
o the st%.i,ity of h%man raceZ
i won,er how they mana0e, to 0et .eo.le to %n,erstan, them! all that messianic st%ff!!! i
mean ,oes a .easant really careQ
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 1161G A4
9eah! An, this is why I hate e1eryone
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H%t at least I$m not ,iscriminatin0
mo==y
05-1E-(00G# 1(65G P4
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sinasayan6
i .oste, it as a 1ery well &nown thin0!! beca%se!! its ob1io%s that al m%allim is hasan
sabbah!!then i realiCe, that yo% 0%ys ,ont aware of eastern history an, the entry i
.oste, its =%ite lon0 ) Hy the way its from wi&i.e,ia here is the lin&
htt.6RRen!wi&i.e,ia!or0Rwi&iRHassan-iPSabbah+
let me 0i1e yo% short history of him!! hasan sabbah create, the first .lanne, terrorist
or0anisation in the history which calle, 8hashasin8! hashas is a .lant which marih%ana
ma,e of! hasan sabbah .re.are, a ma0nificient 0ar,en in the fortress of
alam%t)htt.6RRim0!blo0c%!comR%.loa,sR&arna1alPAlamoot!B.0+ fille, it with bea%tif%l
women an, fr%its!! 0a1e yo%n0 men hashas)marih%ana+ an, sai, them 8e1ery reli0ion
offers yo% hea1en!! i am showin0 it to yo%8 with the effect of ano,yne they tho%0h that its
real!! an, to reach 8the hea1en8 a0ain! they became a sol,ier of hasan sabbah! the wor,
of 8assasin8 came from 8hashasin8 hashasin means a,,icte, to hashas!!) yo% can loo&
ro0er crowley$s boo&s abo%t that+ an, another thin0!! al m%allim means 8 the teacher8 in
arabic lan0%a0e ! the hashasins were callin0 hasan sabbah as al m%allim also!! this is
too ob1io%s i trie, to e3.lain i &now my en0lish is not eno%0h!! its best i can ,o! if yo%
.eo.le want more information abo%t him! 'ea, the fortress of alam%t!!
SR,i1VSRHM?>@QT?/"V
/hen I realiCe, yo% ,on$t &now what yo%$re tal&in0 abo%t! Al m%alim is not Hasan
Sabbah! :hy wo%l, he beQ
1+ Hasan Sabbah ,i, not create 8hashashin8! /hat$s a name 0i1en to them by cr%sa,ers#
an, only one m%slim acco%nt act%ally calls them that! /hey were the <iCari ismaili!
(+ /here was no 0ar,en fille, with bea%tif%l women an, fr%its!
F+ /hey ,i,n$t ta&e ,r%0s
Hasically e1ery sin0le thin0 in that .ost is false! Si0h# it$s o&ay to be mis0%i,e,# b%t ,on$t
be i0norant! 5on$t claim that we ,on$t %n,erstan, if it is yo% who ,oesn$t!
As I alrea,y sai,# Al m%alim wo%l, be Sinan# not Hasan!
If yo% want# I can 0i1e yo% a 0oo, so%rce for this online! If yo% are willin0 to learn#
instea, of bein0 i0norant!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 01650 P4
/here$s no nee, to be r%,e abo%t it 4o0
mo==y
05-1E-(00G# 01652 P4
:ell# I mi0ht ha1e been a bit too harsh# ,e.en,in0 on what he meant by
8then i realiCe, that yo% 0%ys ,ont aware of eastern history8
/hat$s =%ite a claim to ma&e# tho%0h !!!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 0(601 P4
As is claimin0 that yo%r 1ersion is %nassailably acc%rate! All this ha..ene, more than a
millenia a0o! <o matter how certain yo% are that what yo% &now is fact# it$s been sim.ly
too lon0 for %s to really &now! "s.ecially abo%t somethin0 with so many ,eliberately
mislea,in0 a,a.tations as the Hash X Ashin
H/?DE6
05-1E-(00G# 0(60( P4
"s.ecially as .eo.le ha1e been .ostin0 st%ff li&e this an, =%otin0 :i&i since lon0 before
the 0ame was e1en release,! htt.6RRfor%ms!%bi!comRima0esRsmiliesR16316Psmiley-
in,ifferent!0if
mo==y
05-1E-(00G# 0(606 P4
SHM?>@QT?/" classU8i.-%bbco,e-=%ote8VS,i1 classU8i.-%bbco,e-=%ote-
title8V=%ote6SR,i1VS,i1 classU8i.-%bbco,e-=%ote-content8V?ri0inally .oste, by
HobfishPAlmi0ht6
As is claimin0 that yo%r 1ersion is %nassailably acc%rate! All this ha..ene, more than a
millenia a0o! <o matter how certain yo% are that what yo% &now is fact# it$s been sim.ly
too lon0 for %s to really &now! "s.ecially abo%t somethin0 with so many ,eliberately
mislea,in0 a,a.tations as the Hash X Ashin SR,i1VSRHM?>@QT?/"V
84y 1ersion8 is s%..orte, by lo0ic# the scholars of that time# the mo,ern researchers# the
boo&s written by the <iCari themsel1es et cetera! :hereas 8his 1ersion8 is only
s%..orte, by 4arco Polo# who showe, %. 150 years after the assassins ha, been
,estroye,# an, ,i, no research what-so-e1er!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 0F600 P4
I %n,erstan, that! H%t it still ,oesn$t ma&e it fact
mo==y
05-1E-(00G# 0F6(G P4
SoQ :e only &now 1ery few thin0s to be facts! :e only &now thin0s for a fact s%ch as
that a trian0le always has three corners!
So it is com.letely fr%itless an, %seless to say 8well# yo% ,on$t &now it for a 7A>/Z <ot
100[Z8
All the e1i,ence s%..orts me in the <iCari ar0%ment# therefore we mi0ht aswell ta&e it for
a fact!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 0F6F1 P4
A0ain# I$m 0oin0 to ha1e to ,isa0ree with yo%! /here$s eno%0h e1i,ence to s%..ort what
yo%$1e sai, as bein0 fact! /hat$s no the same thin0! An, ,on$t 0et me wron0# I$m not
sayin0 yo%$re wron0 in any way! It$s all abo%t .ers.ecti1e! Sometimes all the facts in the
worl, cannot ,iss%a,e someone from their beliefs# an, I$m not B%st tal&in0 abo%t reli0ion#
I mean abo%t lots of thin0s! 7or e3am.le# yo% sai, that the assassin$s ha, been
,estroye, an, I$, say there is more than eno%0h e1i,ence to ref%te that as fact!
Howe1er# both 1ersions are e=%ally s%..orte, an, li&ely# so which ,o yo% belie1eQ
/hat$s where choice comes in BaQ
mo==y
05-1E-(00G# 0F6E0 P4
?h# b%t then it$s abo%t o.inions! /hat$s com.letely ,ifferent!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 0F6EF P4
?nly in so far as which 8facts8 yo% choose to belie1e! An, .lease# I ,on$t want yo% to
thin& I$m bein0 ,eliberately contrary
mo==y
05-1E-(00G# 0F651 P4
/his has nothin0 to ,o with what I sai,# tho%0h! /he e1i,ence is not s.lit 50R50!
Secon,ly# if the e1i,ence :?TM5 be s.lit 50R50# then yo% wo%l, be i0norantRst%.i, to
claim what yo% say is absol%tely tr%e!
HobfishPAlmi0ht
05-1E-(00G# 0F65E P4
I &now! 'eally# I$m not sayin0 yo%$re wron0# or e1en that there$s eno%0h o..osin0 fact to
say that there$s serio%s ,o%bt abo%t yo% bein0 wron0! :hich brin0s me bac& to my
ori0inal ar0%ment! :i&i.e,ia is written by morons
mo==y
05-1E-(00G# 0E60F P4
SHM?>@QT?/" classU8i.-%bbco,e-=%ote8VS,i1 classU8i.-%bbco,e-=%ote-
title8V=%ote6SR,i1VS,i1 classU8i.-%bbco,e-=%ote-content8V?ri0inally .oste, by
HobfishPAlmi0ht6
:i&i.e,ia is written by morons SR,i1VSRHM?>@QT?/"V
:ell# it certainly is har, to correct anythin0 in :i&i.e,ia !!! I trie, to correct one fa%lt in
Assassin$s >ree, :i&i.e,ia .a0e# which sai, that the Assassins$ stron0hol, in the 0ame
is calle, Alam%t! /he a,min ,elete, my e,it three times# an, let it stay only after I
.ro1i,e, a 1i,eo an, a screenshot \ Assassin$s >ree, wi&i.a0e )a wi&i only abo%t A>+
statin0 that it was 4asyaf!
HobfishPAlmi0ht