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ANDERSON + WANCA
By: MR. ROSS M. GOOD
MR. DAVID M. OPPENHEIM
3701 Algonquin Road, Suite 760
Rolling Meadows, IL 60008
(847) 368-1500
rgood@andersonwanca.com
doppenheim@andersonwanca.com
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On behalf of the Plaintiffs,
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SMITH AMUNDSEN, LLC
By: MR. WARREN R. WILKOSZ
150 North Michigan Avenue, Suite 3300
Chicago, IL 60601
(312) 894-3200
wwilkosz@salawus.com
On behalf of the Defendant.
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$5,000?
A. I'm not certain that that's the
interpretation, but as I read it and I read that
sentence, that would be my interpretation, although I
don't know the legal meaning behind that statement.
Q. To your knowledge, is there any agreement
in which you can possibly receive more than $5,000 as
part of being objector in this case?
A. I don't know the answer to that.
Q. Directing your attention to the last page
of this document, page 4, it says it is signed and
accepted on October 6th, 2014. Do you see that?
A. Yes.
Q. And do you recall reading this document
prior to signing it?
A. I did.
Q. And is that your signature on this
document?
A. It is.
Q. And right next to the name Judd Clayton,
did you write in the comma, Junior?
A. I did because, in fact, I am.
Q. Understood.
So whoever drafted this document drafted it
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appeal bond?
A. If that's his recommendation.
Q. Okay. Directing your attention back to
Exhibit 1 on page 3, paragraph 3, it lists: "Copies
of all objections filed by Judd Clayton, Jr. in any
other class action lawsuit settlement," and the
response states: "Objection is made to this request
on grounds that it is overbroad, unduly burdensome
and not reasonably calculated to lead to the
discovery of admissible evidence. Subject to and
without waiving these objections, none." Do you see
that?
A. I do.
Q. And is that a true and accurate answer to
that request?
MR. HOWARD: That's a legal objection, which he's
not capable of answering.
MR. GOOD: Q. I will strike my question and
reask.
Is the answer "none" a -- accurate?
MR. HOWARD: Also, didn't the court order in this
case say that you weren't to go into other
objections?
MR. GOOD: No.
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before?
A. I don't recall.
Q. Directing your attention to -- did I not
give you a copy?
MR. HOWARD: No, I don't have a copy.
MR. GOOD: I'm sorry. This is your copy. I
wrote the number 8 on it by mistake.
Q. Directing your attention to page 14 of 20,
there are five bullet points. Let me know when you
get there.
A. I am there.
Q. Okay. Directing your attention to the
third bullet point on the page, it reads: "The
overwhelmingly positive reaction of the class
similarly weighed in favor of approval of the
settlement given that only 51 of the potential 1.6
million class members opted out of the proposed
settlement and that there were only two objections
[Doc Nos. 101, 113] made to this proposed settlement,
one of which [Doc. No. 101] was ultimately withdrawn,
(see Notice of Withdrawal of All Objections [Doc. No.
118]), and the second of which [Doc. No. 113] the
Court found to be factually and legally
insufficient." Directing your attention back to
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A. Yes, I do.
Q. Directing your attention to -A. Page 49, lines 20 and 22?
Q. No. We're actually going to start -- I
apologize for that. Direct you to page 45.
A. Okay.
Q. I'm going to read starting at line 5:
"Mr. Clayton submitted a declaration -- excuse me -his objection with the wrong claim form. He used a
gentleman named Mr. Schultz. Mr. Schultz, from what
we investigate, has objected to settlements before,
what I will call, as you said, a professional
plaintiff, I will call a professional objector, with
ties to a gentleman named Christopher Bandes." This
is misspelled B-a-n-d-e-s rather that B-a-n-d-a-s,
which is how Mr. Bandas spells his name. "But in our
settlement approval papers, we asked the Court, as
part of the objection, to list your prior
objections." Do you see that?
A. I saw what you read, yes.
Q. And do you know who Mr. Schultz is?
A. I do.
Q. And who is Mr. Schultz?
A. Mr. Schultz is an origin and cause
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Q. Does he work for you?
A. No, he does not.
Q. Do you work with him -- strike that.
Have you ever worked with him in the past?
A. I have worked on cases wherein he has
worked, yes.
Q. And were those cases ever involving
Mr. Bandas?
A. There may have been one or two cases. Once
again, the ones I referred to that were -- span back
probably a 20 year period.
Q. Okay. I'll keep reading. "And we humbly
suggest to the Court -- and yes, it is
speculative -- that Mr. Schultz is behind this
objection, along with Chris Bandas, and using
Mr. Clayton as a shill. If you look at his
objection, you'll note that he goes by "Junior," in
quotes, but "Junior" was left out and he handwrote it
in. That indicates to me that someone else, other
than his office that he works in every day, knows
that he uses "Junior"." And directing your attention
back to Deposition Exhibit No. 7, was it you that
wrote in the word "Junior" on page 1 of Deposition
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A. It was.
Q. And was it you that wrote in "Junior" on
page 2 of Deposition Exhibit No. 7?
A. It was.
Q. And is that your signature on page 2 of
Deposition Exhibit No. 7?
A. It is.
Q. And did you also write in "Junior" on your
retainer agreement with Mr. Bandas, which is
Deposition Exhibit No. 3?
A. I did on page 1.
MR. HOWARD: I apologize. I didn't put the
"Junior" on our agreement either.
MR. GOOD: Q. Did Mr. Bandas write Deposition
Exhibit No. 7?
A. I don't have a clue.
Q. Did you write Deposition Exhibit No. 7?
A. Deposition Exhibit No. 7?
MR. HOWARD: Which one are you looking at?
MR. GOOD: Q. That's your objection in the
Doherty case.
A. I did not write it, no.
Q. Did any attorney write it?
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today?
A. Class notice?
Q. The class notice that you were sent via
facsimile with you today.
A. Well, you keep saying I was sent via
facsimile, and I keep saying I don't know. Oh -Q. I'll represent that they were only sent via
fax and published in the USA Today, so it had to be
one or the other.
A. Well, first of all, I'm not certain if
we're communicating. I'm sure it's my fault. Are
you referring to this document here?
Q. Correct.
A. That's entitled proof of claim. I see no
reference to any fax numbers where it was sent via
fax.
Q. Correct.
A. So I don't have a recall.
Q. The fax number is listed right here. It
lists fax number, is that 261-337-1167? Is that your
number or is that 281?
A. That is my fax number, yes.
Q. Can you read it into the record?
A. What do you want me to read?
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seriously doubt that the vast majority of cases -MR. OPPENHEIM: If there is a trial, then they
have to be there.
MR. HOWARD: Oh, if there is a trial.
MR. OPPENHEIM: Yes.
MR. HOWARD: Plaintiffs never have to be there
regardless of whether it's a class action or any
other trial, so I don't know how you can say that, so
if you want to show me a rule that requires a
plaintiff to be at a trial?
MR. GOOD: They also -- they have to take the
witness stand.
MR. HOWARD: Well, if they're called as a
witness, they have to be there, but plaintiff doesn't
have to take the witness stand unless they're called.
MR. OPPENHEIM: You don't want your client
sitting next to you at the table?
MR. HOWARD: They're not required to be there.
I've had plenty of trials where my client is not
sitting at the trial.
MR. GOOD: Okay. Do you want me to rephrase the
question to say that they could be called as a
witness at a trial?
MR. HOWARD: Absolutely. That's a valid
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MR. GOOD: Q. Okay. Are you aware that class
representatives can be called as witnesses at trial?
A. I expect that any person that is a party to
a suit can be called -Q. Okay. Are you -A. -- as a witness to a trial.
Q. Are you aware that a court-ordered
mediation class representatives can be ordered to
attend?
A. I expect that class members could be
ordered to attend.
Q. Are you aware of whether class
representatives in this matter were ordered to attend
any mediations?
A. I am not aware. I have seen no such
documentation.
Q. And is that because you haven't looked?
A. That's because I haven't been provided that
information.
Q. Did you ever ask?
A. I don't recall having asked for the
discovery documents other than what was sent to me,
and beyond that, no.
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to the class.
Q. And I have represented to you that they
will be -- the figures regarding the class members
will be made available to the Court and the public in
the form of an affidavit, but my question is would
one thing that is acceptable to you be to post the
attorney hours on the website so that people could
view them?
A. I think that that would be a good step.
Q. Did you look at the attorneys -- strike
that.
Did you look at the website to see if that
was available?
A. I thought you already asked and answered
that question. I have not looked at the website,
but, obviously, all of that information has got to be
submitted. To just give a blanket statement that
where you got $23 million in this potential pie to be
distributed in a way that doesn't appear to be
appropriate, a pro rata to me does not sit well with
me, and I'm objecting to it.
MR. HOWARD: Counsel, didn't you guys object
producing that information to the other counsel, the
other objector?
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A. I saw what you read.
Q. Do you believe tactics such as that
described by the Court are appropriate for class
action litigation?
A. I'm not even sure I understand what you
just read.
Q. Do you want to take some time to reread it
yourself?
A. It matters not to me. I mean, if I'm going
to give an evaluation on a case and opinions about
that, I'd have to review the entire file. All the
documents associated with it and all the facts
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Q. I don't believe Mr. Bandas testified. It
was only the one attorney that testified, and the
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A. What other documents are associated with
the case, whatever was produced.
Q. You mean produced related to Mr. Bandas or
related to other -A. Just related to the case. I mean, if you
ask me to evaluate a case and give opinions, I'll
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A. I'm there.
Q. "Bandas nevertheless continued to ignore
the appeal bond order, instead filing emergency
motions to stay with the district court and the Ninth
Circuit. The district court thus sua sponte ordered
the objectors' attorneys to appear in court and show
cause why they should not be sanctioned for failing
to post the appeal bond. Although Bandas posted the
bond a few days later, the district court proceeded
with the hearing, providing notice to Bandas and his
clients that they stood accused of bad faith conduct,
not merely unreasonable conduct. At the hearing, the
district court admonished Bandas for game playing.
Finding clear and convincing evidence that Bandas had
disobeyed the bond order, the district court then
took the extraordinary step of barring Bandas from
practicing in the Western District of Washington as
sanctions for what the court describes as vexatious
and deplorable conduct. Thereafter, the Ninth
Circuit again granted summary affirmance of the
district court's fee order, finally and fully
resolving this case." Do you see that?
A. I see what you've read, yes.
Q. And were you aware of this conduct prior to
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MR. GOOD: Q. Well, if it's half a million
dollars, would you be willing to post that much?
A. Probably not a half a million dollars, no.
MR. GOOD: Mark this as Deposition Exhibit 14.
(Clayton Deposition Exhibit
No. 14 marked as
requested.)
MR. GOOD: Q. The Court Reporter has just handed
you what has been marked as Deposition Exhibit No.
14. This includes the notice of motion and the
motion for leave to file the objection of
Judd Clayton, Jr. and the objection of Judd Clayton,
Jr. Do you see that?
A. I was with you until notice of motion and
then the -Q. You got to flip to the next page.
A. Okay. Okay. I see the verbiage you just
read.
Q. Okay. Thank you.
And directing your attention back to the
first page, this was submitted by Peter F. Higgins of
the Law Firm Lipkin & Higgins. Do you see that?
It's the signature.
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A. I do.
Q. And do you know who Peter F. Higgins is?
A. I can't say that I do.
Q. Have you ever spoken to Mr. Higgins?
A. Not in connection with this case.
Q. And to your knowledge, would Mr. Bandas
have contracted Mr. Higgins to file this document?
A. I do not know. I can't address the
legalities of that. The possibility exists, but I
don't know how they came to develop relationship or
how his name came to be on this document.
I didn't mean to mislead you when you asked
me if I knew Mr. Higgins. I may know a Mr. Higgins,
but I have had no communication with him in
connection with this case.
Q. Okay. Directing your attention to page 6,
the pages are labeled at the top right.
A. Okay. I'm there.
Q. This document is entitled objection of
Judd Clayton, Jr., and I'd just like you to briefly
skim through from page 6 to page 14 and confirm that
this is a true and correct copy of the objection that
was filed on your behalf on October 14th, 2014?
A. So we just want to go through page 14?
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Q. No.
MR. HOWARD: I mean, I don't read that in the
settlement document. Are you just making that
representation to him now? Because the settlement
I've seen does not seem to indicate that.
MR. GOOD: It does indicate that, and it will be
further established in the affidavit showing how many
members there are in levels 1, levels 2 and levels 3.
MR. HOWARD: Okay.
MR. GOOD: It is not possible to be in level 3
and either of the other two levels because level 3 is
only for people -MR. HOWARD: Who aren't in the other two?
MR. OPPENHEIM: Who aren't in the other two.
MR. GOOD: Exactly, who aren't in the other two,
but it is possible to be in both level 1 and level 2,
and that is because, as I explained to you, Comcast
did not have the records that covered the entire
class period. They only had some of them, and as a
result of that, the records for level 2 are
incomplete; therefore, people that actually had the
fax are also in category 1 -- or level 1 because they
can prove they have a fax from the time period that
there are no call detail records.
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objections?
A. I'd have to look at each of those
objections and see. I mean, if there was actually a
$23 million payment, I think when you say actual
payout, it certainly doesn't change the amount that I
think that the plaintiff attorneys representing the
class should be reimbursed. I would have to evaluate
that data. That's what I'm objecting to. I want to
see that data, see how many legitimate claims there
are to see how much money would be proportioned in a
pro rata basis to the members themselves.
Q. And when you say "legitimate claims," you
mean claims that have been approved by the
independent claims administrator?
A. Well, I'm not sure what the position of
that person is, but approved by whatever process
claims are approved by.
Q. Okay. And when you read out what's in the
two pages that are being marked as Deposition Exhibit
No. 15, you said that you believed that the class
representatives were making 15 times more than the
maximum other class members would receive. Do you
recall that?
A. I don't remember saying "maximum." I said
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think?
A. Yes.
Q. And were you compensated for your time?
A. No.
Q. Your actual objections that was filed,
which was part of Deposition Exhibit 14, does not
mention any objection to the class rep incentive
award, is that correct?
A. That is the 250 versus the 100?
Q. No, no. That's the $15,000 for class
representatives.
MR. HOWARD: I think that mischaracterizes the -THE WITNESS: Let me see.
MR. HOWARD: -- the document.
MR. GOOD: I think mine is searchable. I think I
can beat all of you. Maybe not.
THE WITNESS: If you look on page 8 -- well -MR. GOOD: Q. Page 13 of 41.
A. Is it page 13?
Q. Yeah. Page 13 of 41 at the top right I
think is what you are referring to.
A. Well, the first full paragraph, that topic
is covered.
Q. And is that the only place?
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