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R5 Cabriolet
An in-depth look at this rare car
4 Events
9 SU carb. for a R4
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15 New Registrars
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16 Renault track days
Clio Cup 172 p25
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18 Renault 5 EBS Cabriolet
21 Retromobile
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33 Classified adverts
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Editor: John Cowgill
Comment
Now that the AGM is over for another year it is time to start thinking
about waking the classic up from its winter sleep and getting ready for
another full events season. The years events start with the Welsh run and
this is open to all Renaults, not just Twingos. So whether your car is
brand new or a classic there is no excuse for not going along and getting
involved.
Following repeated comments in this column pleading for members
contributions it is heartening to report that of late letters and articles have
come from a wide cross section of members. Please keep it up, this is just
the kind of input we need to ensure that we are able to sustain the high
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standard of the magazine.
A couple of recent phone calls, one from a new member, got me
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thinking about dealerships and the quality of service. Our new member
bought a new Laguna II via the internet from a dealer quite some distance
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from his home, not a problem really as any warranty work required can
be carried out by any Renault dealer. He was however surprised that no-
one from Renault had contacted him to see how he was getting on with
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the car and whether he had any problems. Like me, he has doubts about
leaving a new car 18,000 miles before its first service, so a call to his
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local dealer about changing the oil before this mileage prompted the
response that yes they would change the oil and filter for 79, the price I
suspect reflecting the area where he lives.
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and engines will run 18,000 before service I do still have doubts about
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the other mechanical bits and pieces, not least the brakes. This being so
the editorial Clio will be back at the dealership every year for a full
inspection and oil and filter change.
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So, have a you recently bought a new Renault? You have. Then let us
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know how things are going. Are there any problems with either the car or
the dealership, or is the car and the service first-class? Either way we
want to know.
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by, five years from now we will ask enough to be viable every day wheels.
but suffice for me to say, on behalf of
where all the 25s, 19s, and R21s have So if your garage is empty get out there
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vanished to. The moral of this story is and buy yourself something interesting
go and buy one now. Our throwaway which in a few years will be rarer than there!
society means there are plenty of an early R30 TX! David Austin
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Events 2003 rs JUNE
6/7/8 Invitation from Citron Car Club to
Bourton-on-the-Water for a French
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Car Day.
MAY E-mail David Austin for programme and
Sunday 18 WELSH RUN 3 map.
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ments at the Final Control. one-day event (Sunday) and will include
The Twingo is 10 years old this year so lets make it a autojumble, driving tests and the usual
special event. Fill in your Entry Form straight away. club competitions.
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Look forward to seeing you at the start. Invited clubs include: Citron CC,
Peugeot OC and DeLorean CC
For those of you without internet access please contact
Dafydd or Beryl for an entry form. SEPTEMBER
Tel & Fax 01766 770203. Mobile 07720402077. TBA PEAK DISTRICT run (Finish at
e-mail: dafydd@welshman.freeserve.co.uk Crich)
Sunday 25 Peugeot GTi Club French Car
Show. NOVEMBER
Stanford Hall, Lutterworth. A massive Sat/Sun 8/9 CLASSIC CAR SHOW, NEC
gathering of standard, modified and Theme will be 1980s. A good R9 or 11
performance French cars. The club has is required. Also R30, R18 Est, R4 Van,
a stand and will be attending. early Trafic van, late model R12, R14
Entry 5 per person. or anything else of interest built
between 1979 and 1984.
31 and June 1 Tatton Park. Once again the club will Please contact David Austin.
have a stand at this huge show in the
north west. E-mail: events@renaultownersclub.com
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this must be overturned. The Highways 02.08.02).
Agency should act as a management Speed in itself does not kill. views (letters, Feb 2003) that could
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authority allocating permits to drive Inappropriate speed can kill an awful indicate he is not. It is difficult to see
into towns. People should be made to lot. The bigger problem on our roads is how anyone can say that this
wait until a space becomes available. poorly trained drivers who cannot read government is not anti-car.
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People who live in the country say they the road and prevailing conditions to The large increases in taxation we have
need to drive into towns I say its determine what is an appropriate speed. seen from it bear disproportionately on
their fault for living in the country. Carelessness kills, anger kills, incompe- motoring and hit those in rural areas,
The most famous car hater of them all
is of course Ken Livingstone, famously
telling the Sunday Times in 1999 I
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tence kills but whod be brave enough
to ban two-thirds of drivers from our
roads. Maybe its not speed that kills
where there are often few alternatives,
particularly hard. I do not consider that
the Vice-Chairman offers a tirade far
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hate cars, if I ever got any powers again but attitudes which stifle? from it. He merely expresses views,
Id ban the lot. On the issue of congestion charging, which I hear all the time from anyone
On the issue of speed, it is inappro- the London congestion charge is not remotely interested in, or well informed
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Road humps make everyone suffer how to do it articles culled from
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when a few policemen in the right place Renault information sheets to dealers,
with hand held radar guns would stop one). Five good features by accom-
plished writers and translators, which drawing of special tools, etc. Lists of
those who actually do the speeding. spares still held by the factory for the
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collectively represent a prodigious
While most would agree that anti-social more popular models might inspire
amount of time and effort. I am duly
speeding needs to be curbed, why not people to get to work, and I would have
grateful to those involved.
concentrate on stopping those who do thought that with 50 years worth of club
Once again however there is the cry,
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should be far more emphasis on driver
training, rather than the blunderbuss of
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from two quarters, that the membership
is apathetic and must better itself.
Apathy is not an option, we are told.
magazines to go at, there would be lots
of previous articles that would be of
interest to present-day members and
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ever increasing blanket restrictions. The Well I have not contributed anything well worth re-printing.
reason seems to be cost: the promises previously over the couple of years or One of the problems endemic in an
on law and order and numbers of police so that I have been a member, but Im all-embracing club of this nature is a
are among the many broken ones.
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not apathetic. I should think there are certain lack of cohesiveness and it is
The government collects very large probably plenty more like me, who not really possible to do much about the
tax revenues from motorists but fails to joined the ROC primarily in the problem. This subject is touched on by
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spend it on things of benefit to expectation of learning useful technical the Kangoo Registrar in his latest
motorists or the travelling public tips, sources of new and used spare report. I have to say that personally I
generally. Now called the tax disc, the parts, cars for sale, etc basic stuff like believe a degree of specialisation does
original purpose of the disc was to
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available, they are (well done, Renault) fault of the glass and the sealer against vehicle entry form direct from
but the price is pretty terrible. Actually which it presses in its closed position, Benoit, e-mail:
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once the body is lifted the chassis is a but, nevertheless, it is wise to ensure benoit.diringer@libertysurf.fr
very repairable proposition and Renault that the gully between the plastic
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can supply very sensible repair sections surround of the sunroof and the rubber
for the rear ends of the chassis side sunroof seal as well as the (top) face of gun (like the one used to seal a bath to
members. the seal itself are dirt-free. The gully the bathroom tile surround) in order to
What I need to learn is the hands-on can be cleaned carefully with a cloth
down-to-earth way of renewing the rear
suspension bushes, a seemingly terrible
job. Who can help?
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wrapped round a wallpaper scraper, but
dont let the sharp edges nick the seal.
It is surprising how much gunge this
obtain a professional finish. If there is
any chance that there is moisture
remaining under the lip of the plastic
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operation reveals! Make sure, of course, surround, it is important that it should
Richard Mawer be blown out with an airline before
that the seal is sitting correctly on its
Lincs commencing operations, so that that
seat all the way round.
hidden area is absolutely dry or the
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Dear Sir, cassette as it fits into the car roof. In the before applying the strips of masking
Firstly an open question. The engine of interests of cost, this is located from the tape, dont forget to wipe both the
my 1997 Mk.1 Phase 3 Clio 1.4S inside of the vehicle, underneath the plastic surround and the car roof with a
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Maxim spins very quietly up to exactly moulded headlining, with very few suitable (preferably non-oily) solvent to
3200 rpm in any and all the gears and bolts (usually up to four maximum on ensure a good bond for the sealant,
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then takes on a hard edge, which each side and up to six maximum both which, after application should be
remains throughout the rest of the rev. back and front, whereas after-market smoothed with a spit-moistened finger
units usually have at least double this which ensures slipperiness. As in the
range. I suspect that this noticeable, but
number) and it sits on a foam rubber case of bathroom application, the
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of the engine compartment or the rigidity and warps and goes wavy and it will be ready for careful fine
exhaust system or the high frequency according to where the locating bolts tuning with a sharp craft knife after
vibration of a panel, such as the boot bite. It lifts, especially round the about forty-eight hours. If carried out
floor, to which NVT patches have not corners, so that the rain seeps in easily carefully, the result is difficult to tell
been applied. This model is very akin to under this outer plastic shoulder, no apart from the original fitment, but, if
the more widely sold, similar capacity, matter how tightly the glass of the you are not too confident about doing
three-door RT Clio of the same vintage, sunroof is sitting on its seal. If anyone the whole operation yourself, the local
but with a few twiddly bits on, so it is is having an unasked for shower, it is windscreen and sunroof specialist will
possible that other Club members may recommended to take a close look at the probably charge around 25 for profes-
have experienced the same annoyance way this surround sits in the car roof sionally carrying out this quite messy
and managed to overcome it by some and to observe where there are job for you in about half to three-
simple means like fitting Jubilee clips noticeable gaps. quarters of an hour ... and if that turns
on the exhaust system to change the The cure is as simple as sealing with out not to cure the problem in your
harmonics thereof, or whatever. Any windscreen sealer, but any DIYer case, then you will have some sort of
helpful hints would be greatly should mask both the roof as well as the leverage with him to undertake the next
appreciated. surround, leaving about a tenth or an step in this watery battle, whatever it
Secondly, as a quid pro quo, some eighth of an inch exposed both on the
advice. One of the goodies fitted to may be!
car roof as well as on the surround,
many versions of the Clio (including before applying the (black) sealant Hector Mackenzie-Wintle.
mine) is a glass sunroof, either either direct from the tube or from a Dorset
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an AN needle fitted (standard fit on
Morris Minor 1100cc engine), the
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engine fired up and ran like a sewing
machine. A road test showed that after
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some tinkering with the mixture setting
acceleration was smooth and quite
lively, an enormous improvement.
No problems have been encountered
of a R4? An SU carb, of course! serviceable. A manifold adaptor would cruising seems quite effortless (with
Why? Because its simple and take some locating but this item was on one person on board!).
efficient; and stops the fuel leaking past sale in the 60s and 70s therefore there On a general note I enjoy reading
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the float needle on the 281F when the was at least a remote chance of finding Renotes, a good blend of the old and
engine is switched off. one. An internet search was to no avail new and my thanks must go to Mr
My R4 GTL is in very good but the Reliant Robin came to my Hetherington, Motor Sport Secretary,
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condition and is enjoyable to drive but rescue! An SU carb adaptor was used who recommended Wylam Garage on
what a cheap and nasty carb., producing on the Robin, certainly since 1980 as I the Tyne for chassis repairs. I think the
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hesitant acceleration at best. Well, I discovered when idly browsing in my service dept. at the garage enjoyed
thought, you cant beat an SU HS2 local scrapyard. getting the R4 through its MoT the year
carb. for economy and smooth running I did not buy the Robin carb. before last. A previous R4 visit was in
so why not try one. because I knew I had already a good 1992!
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First of all I checked over the one I choice of jet needles for the earlier Don Reid
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name of the genial stocky chap who
sold it to me. He assured me that the
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towbar had only been used for a small
trailer; and that he had covered 250,000
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km in a previous 16 before the engine
had needed any attention. As it turned
out, I had no reason to doubt either of
these assertions.
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Much of old Paris was demolished to make way for the building of La Dfense seen in The car served for the commute to
work (up the then new A186 from
Antony to Petit-Clamart, then down the
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I n the 1970s I worked for a Renault
training department in Billancourt.
The Ile Seguin plant was still producing
sively, in the early I 900s, to further his
industrial interests. The early shift in
the plant would park some of their cars
steep and already in the 70s jammed
motorway to the Pont de Svres and any
parking that could be found in the
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R4s in time-honoured fashion: it was in the centre of the roundabout on the trapeze. It took us on numerous
instructive but alarming to watch the Place Bir-Hakeim. When we arrived at camping holidays in the south of
body sides held up against a jig by a 8.00am we parked round the edge, France, and once to Sardinia and back.
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team of men, as the sides, roof and floor leaving the car door unlocked and the It took us for visits to my parents in
pan were welded together by another ignition lock on the garage position, Yorkshire, Travels with a small child,
team, sparks flying over everyone. The which allowed the steering wheel to be camping, furniture transport: all were
work cadence was demanding. One day
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turned. When the shift came off they made easier by the many ways the rear
when I was visiting the plant, a loud would have a quick caf-calva at the seat could be arranged. The roof-rack
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cheer suddenly arose, and looking Lapin Saut or the Piscine or one of the was an unusual design for the time,
round I watched the production line other bars, then push away some of the gripping round those side rails rather
grind to a halt. Someone, my more cars round the roundabout so they could than onto a gutter.
experienced companion informed me, get their own out. Sometimes youd With time, of course, the car
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had stuck an object into the conveyor find your car neatly parked fifty metres developed its foibles. A rattle from the
belt mechanism simply to gain a few down the road. Mine was never engine compartment made me pull in to
minutes respite. May 68 was, after all, damaged or stolen or towed away. one of those so useful areas on the
not that long ago, and memories of the Parking is prohibited there now, and I French motorways (why dont we have
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workers struggle were still alive in a would never dream of leaving a car these rest areas in this country?). One of
plant where generations had worked, unlocked these days. The Ile Seguin has the carburettor securing bolts was
father to son and father to son. been closed for years, the surrounding resting delicately on top of the butterfly
Whenever I see a spanner in the works, industrial buildings replaced by marvels valve, ready to drop into the engine and
I think of that moment. My status did of steel, glass and raised pedestrian cause massive damage. I dont know
not allow me the stage usine tradition- zones; but in those days when the wind why it hadnt already done so maybe
ally required of new management staff, was in a certain direction youd come only because of the throttle position.
but in my work as a language trainer I out of work to find your car covered in From then on, in spite of the use of
covered kilometres of factory floor, in a fine coating of iron filings. Loctite or similar, it became a weekly
the fumes and the smell and the noise of It was at that time I bought my first maintenance task to check these bolts.
the plants of that era. My job was to Renault: a 16TL, the motorised Another inconvenience was the
help staff improve their ability to armchair. Renault staff could (no doubt automatic choke which would stick on
explain their activities in English: we still can) purchase a new vehicle at a or off, causing bad starting, repeated
always had to shout over the din. In car discount which eliminated the initial stalling, or sometimes unexpected
plants these days you can sometimes depreciation on a new vehicle. They rocket-like propulsion from early
hear a whisper. would sell it on after six months or so. morning traffic lights. Later, the
Then, as now, there was enormous Once the first investment was made, steering developed a creaking sound not
congestion on the streets of the they could afford to buy a new vehicle unlike a stagecoach negotiating
trapeze area which Louis Renault had every few months as long as and here potholes: I found there was an
purchased, progressively and aggres- was the catch they could find a buyer ingenious rubber universal joint in the
steering column which had perished. The following quotation from the book Que reste-t-il de Billancourt? by Daniel Labb
I had servicing carried out not by the and Frdric Prin. Hachette, 1990. ISBN 2.01.015834.2 describes the Billancourt
Renault network but by an ex-Renault plant in about 1980.
engineer called Georges Cournut who
had set up in business on his own The production line is organised right down to the last metre of space. Each worker
account, near the Porte d0rlans in carries out his own allotted task, commanding one or more bins containing the parts
Paris. It was an old workshop in an he has to weld, screw, glue, clip, insert, or attach. In short, assembly work, at the rate
otherwise residential street, with a ramp dictated by the production line, hundreds of times a day. The wing card or vehicle
up to the main servicing area, some identification tag informs him of the vehicle type, its export destination, and any
ongoing projects stored below, and a particular features.
tiny grubby office by the entrance. He Clocks are scarce on the Ile Seguin, but the men are enslaved to time. Their
really did work alone: sometimes when movements are not really their own, broken down as they are into elements, and
I visited to drop off or collect my car, codified by the production engineering technicians. A time value is allocated to every
he would ask me to help him with a fraction of a movement, to every element of every mechanical operation. Here, time
small task: press a brake pedal while he is measured in hundredths of a minute. Theres no way out. Each individual, whether
checked the lights, hold something fat, tall, or small, each personality, whether anxious, laid-back, bon vivant, hard-
while he worked. He was a short, gruff, bitten or poetic, melds into an average worker, a mere cog in the works, repeating
thick-set man with a tough stubby his task incessantly, in the Taylorist organisation of work.
handshake (although more often he A Renault worker, a nameless number assigned to a workstation on the production
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proffered the upper part of his right line, or rather a section of it, has to carry out the tasks defined by production
wrist to shake, in the manner of a engineering, following a strict regime, regardless of conditions. The welders contort
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workman with dirty hands) and I learnt themselves to get inside the bodyshell and to carry out spot-welds at high speed,
later that he was also a fine skier: which joining the various panels. The workers on the presses swing their arms back and
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accounted for his lengthy absences forth continually, shifting the stamped parts. The assembly workers wield heavy,
around February. He must have noisy tools day in, day out ...
Project R4F6
F irst, why a van? Well we are soon to
move house and a small van would
be very useful to move all sorts of stuff
prior to the big day and the removal
men taking over. Being a Renault fan
and running a repair, service and
restoration garage, a R5 Extra would be
ideal. A 1.4 litre petrol engine and 5-
speed gearbox makes for a very useful
vehicle that is economic to run and
drives well, but (apologies to any
owners out there) it has to be said, has
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wrecks thrashed to within an inch of
their lives that were for sale, the phone
rang. It was a friend and customer of
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mine, he offered me his wrecked R4F6
that he had personally thrashed. It had
failed its MoT due to the rear chassis genuine parts are still available from down to the corrosion giving the fuel
Renault and being the same as the car
legs being badly corroded where the
torsion bar mounts bolt on, not
uncommon on R4s. I have owned
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should be cheap. The R4 had a
production run of an amazing 31 years
tank a bad earth connection. On re-
assembly I fitted an earth strap to the
tank and it works fine now. I then
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several 4s in the past and have a soft with over 8 million units produced, removed the shock absorbers, flexible
spot for them; they are cheap, basic, thats at least 16 million chassis legs brake hoses and disconnected the
reliable and typically French, something Renault have made in their time, so handbrake cables from inside the van.
that cant always be said of their newer how much? Over 300 the pair. Yet After one breakage and lots of spraying
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counterparts. again I find Renault have excelled with oil, the anchor mount bolts came
In truth the rebuilding of the R4 was themselves in pricing older models out out.
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a rescue job and not carried out with of the market. Undeterred by this This left the entire suspension unit
economic sense in mind. R4s are not setback I decided to fabricate my own free to remove in one piece. There is no
exactly rocketing in price and my chassis legs from thick galvanised steel. need to remove the torsion bars individ-
example with a massive 193,859 miles So to the rebuild. I jacked the van up ually or the anti-roll bar, it is however
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on the clock and a former owner in the high and stood it on two axle stands worth removing the rear brake limiter
valve. This will probably result in the
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Shetland Isles, was slightly the worse with large pieces of wood spreading the
for wear, although Im sure it could tell load right across the rear floor, this left replacement of the metal brake pipes as
a tale or two. Nevertheless I decided to the whole of the rear end free to work they are usually corroded. I changed
repair it and give it a paint job as it on. First of all I removed the spare mine anyway using copper, which will
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looked so rough. wheel and then the bracing bar and fuel last for years.
First job and the most grief was to tank. Incidentally the sender unit had With everything out of the way the
replace the rear chassis legs; the always worked erratically and I put this real extent of the corrosion was plain to
see. I originally thought about patching
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absorber mounts in position and painted vehicle, so on closer inspection of the bright yellow background would break
the entire area before re-assembly. box I found the problem. There is an up the white a bit and so masked off
The next job was the front cross- outer heat shield spot welded to it, two this area and sprayed it in. A local firm
member, which holds the gearbox front of these welds had rotted behind the made up the transfers I asked for and I
mount. It had also corroded and again shield and were blowing badly. I cut the applied them using some soapy water
the replacement part was expensive so I shield off and welded up the holes, the and a rubber block. A double stripe
repaired this area as well using the same box still looked sound so I used a piece finished the job.
thick steel. Once all the underside had of sheet steel to make a new shield and Time rushes by as this happened
been wire brushed and sprayed it was tacked it in position. It was interesting over four years ago and in that time
time to look at the bodywork. This had because the exhaust had been noisy for more transformations have occurred.
surprisingly little corrosion apart from ages but I couldnt find where from Most notable of which are a year on
around the windscreen rubber and lots until I took the wing off. I then found a from the re-spray I fitted a set of
of stone chips that had been neglected, new length of pipe that came in a job lot Gordini Turbo alloy wheels and a
the downside though was that it looked of odd Renault parts, welded it on so 1397cc engine with some mods to the
as if it had used for pizza deliveries in that it would exit from the side, near the camshaft, carburettor and other bits, all
Bosnia, every panel was either back wheel, fitted two new rubber of which is another story.
scratched, dented, chipped or all three. mounts and the job was done. Saving The van has been regularly used
The drivers door check strap had the exhaust meant that I had 100 to since then and the total mileage to date,
broken and the door had whacked back spend on lenses, number plates, front December 2002, is 263,626. I took it to
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were dented beyond hope and there than the exhaust and so smartening up anniversary bash and was made very
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were several grooves and dents along the entire appearance of the vehicle for welcome. The finished photo was only
the sides. I knew right from the start the same amount of money as the taken a few weeks ago and as you can
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that this van was never going to win a exhaust would have cost. see its a little battered and bruised, but
concours show, that said, it could look After I painted the van in the it still turns heads and is fun to drive,
smart and tidy and be a usable everyday original white, I decided to sign write it especially when going past modern
for a bit of publicity. I thought the traffic. Derek Flavell
vehicle without worrying too much if a
knock or scratch appears from time to
time. I decided to remove as many
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panels as possible to repair and paint
them, the bonnet and wings were
assigned to the scrap man. I got a pair
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Owners Club and their clever 1970s a revelation! In 2001 I left Renault for
dealer themed stand. Worth a look, I something for the magazine or just
Peugeot, then Ford, then got out of the something that I can keep on file for the
thought, especially as there was a rather motor trade as I was getting fed up with
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register, please feel free.
nice looking R15 on the stand and Ive the long and unsociable working hours.
always liked them. You can write to me at: 26 Knights
As I needed a new car, (my old Templar Green, Chells Manor,
I wandered over and had a look at banger, a 1977 Viva did just that) I Stevenage, Hertfordshire SG2 0JY or
the cars on display and also the small
diecast ones for sale and got chatting to
a couple of the guys on the stand. I
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on new cars and found Renault to offer
email me: claire@delorean.plus.com
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decided to join up even though my the best value for money and the best Claire
Renault isnt a classic and probably
wont be considered as such for at least
20 years! Its nice to find a club that
Renault 4 and 6
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membership pack arrived. Jezebel is 07816 586642 and Steve on 01440 705898 or by e-mail at stevehennessey@ic24.net.
now proudly sporting her club sticker Steve was a mechanic for 20 years and worked on a variety of cars including R4s and
on her front screen. Derek has a small business in South London where he undertakes repairs and
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desperate!
So here I am!
I am a bit of a petrol head, having
Note to all members
been mucking about with cars since I Will members please note that if they have a query about their
was knee high to a grasshopper. My
main involvement these days is with car the point of contact is the Registrar, not the Membership
DeLorean sports cars, as my partner and Secretary or the Editor. The officials of the ROC, including the
I currently own 2 examples. We have
recently imported our second car from
Registrars, take on the posts in a voluntary capacity and do not
California and it is undergoing a full appreciate being swamped by phone calls at all hours of the
restoration. The DeLorean is not that far day or night, and yes it does happen!
removed from Renaults, having the
PRV 2.85V6 and Renault 30 transmis- Please therefore try and contact the relevant person at a
sion. I am also a member of the Institute reasonable hour and remember most officers do have to go to
of Advanced Motorists, having passed work and have holidays.
their test in March 1997.
My experience of Renaults goes Your co-operation in this will be appreciated.
back to family holidays in Scotland in Editor
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on how to get the most from these
potent racing saloons.
Philippe Talou-Derible, Managing
Renaultsport customers the opportunity mid afternoon and run into the evening performance Renaults onto a track and
to let their high performance cars off to maximise leisure time. will find driving the Clio Cup race cars
the leash. And to make its Track Days The Renault Track Days will give a sensational and unforgettable
stand out from the crowd, Renault has owners a rare chance to push their cars experience.
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laid on over a dozen Clio Cup race cars to the limit of performance in a safety- The cost of attending a Renault
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for customers to drive. conscious environment on the Track Day is 150 and places will be
Enthusiastic drivers who own Clio challenging 2.9-mile South West allocated on a first come, first served
V6, Clio 172 or the hugely popular Circuit. Being purpose-built for track basis.
special edition 172 Cup are being days rather than racing, the circuit has Call 01895 829288 to book a place
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invited to put their cars on-track at the huge run-off areas and no barriers to by credit card or visit
purpose-built Palmersport Bedford hit. www.Renaultsport.co.uk/trackdays for
Autodrome on Thursday/Friday Drivers will be given a professional further information.
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models refer to a jacking beam with weight and therefore the slots for the second jack for the final lift as the
pillars, while Haynes (no available sills only need to be 1 deep to avoid Safranes front end is a fair weight and
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Safrane manual as we all know) any pressure being taken by the outer overhangs the lifting point so the beam
mention a beam for the Laguna. sills. will bend slightly.
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any construction guidelines for these was made using a 2.5 hole cutter. timber and always inspect the beam
beams. The blocks are also wedge shaped each time before use, as one would
I decided one had to be made but being 1/2 shallower at the outer ends, check any other lifting equipment. If
realised, all too well, the possible
consequences of a collapse: the jack
pushing up against and damaging the
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where a triangular piece has been taken
from the base so they sit squarely on the
beam.
anyone else has already tried this or
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EBS Renault 5
I ts not often you have a bit of spare
cash, but in the pre-kids, pre-big
mortgage bachelor days of May 1996
thats just what I had. Being fond of
unusual or classic cars and having
already experienced the joys of owning
a Mini Cooper an old Fiat Coup, a
couple of MGs and a Mark 2 Savage,
(what a beast that was) and dreaming of
the summer ahead I had decided to
invest this little windfall in something
a little bit special, a fair weather vehicle
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sensible, comfortable and safe weekday
motorway conveyance was fine, but in
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weekend the car on a whim a couple of weeks seller himself a deposit was left and I
I had considered an old MGA, white before with a view to customising it returned to collect the car the following
with red leather and fully restored, but further but had had a change of heart. day.
purchasing that would have meant
augmenting the spare and the same was
true of a green TR4. I had, therefore,
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He did not really have the time for
another project (a fact borne out by the
number of 5s in various stages of
It was fun to drive. Apparently not
as quick a standard 5 turbo, the
additional under floor cross members
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almost decided upon the purple TR6, restoration that already littered his yard) adding a little weight, but when the sun
and was waiting the sellers response to and anyway the car was fine as it was. was out and the roof was down it fitted
my offer of 7000, when Spencer rang: Any further tampering, he thought, the bill nicely. A bit pretty though.
What about a Renault 5 Turbo would serve only to diminish its appeal. Other than remarking that the car was
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Cabriolet he suggested. The car had comes Jims way unusual , my car friends, (including
A what? courtesy of one careful lady owner who Gerry who owned a garage specialising
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A Renault 5 had purchased it new from Renault in servicing Renaults) could shed no
further light on the history of the
Renault 5 cabriolet. I promised myself
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Now the mention of Renault 5 this most unusual car would be blessed side quarter window had shattered.
Turbos, (or 1600Es, Escort Mexicos or with and it was almost a disappointment Annoyed of course at the incident, or
RS2000s) would always evoke to see it in the colour of so many latter act of vandalism and at the cost and
memories of carefree times gone by, for day 5s, Tungsten Grey. inconvenience that replacing the
in those just passed your test days of the Jim couldnt shed much light on the window would no doubt cause, I
late seventies they were, if you could history of Renault 5 convertibles. He carefully knocked out the shattered
afford the insurance, the cars to be seen knew of one or two companies, like glass and drove to my local Renault
in Cars with serious cred. Add to that Radbourne Racing that included dealer to get it repaired. This is when
the fact that I had never considered the chopping off roofs as part of their things became interesting. The quarter
existence of a convertible 5, let alone a customising portfolio but because the window (and the side windows for that
convertible turbo and you can car had been supplied as a convertible matter) were not standard. They had
appreciate that I was suitably intrigued. by a Renault dealer, he assumed nothing like it in stock, nor could they
Awash with nostalgia and a large dose Renault must have made a few. Perhaps easily determine whether anything was
of curiosity a phone call was made and Renault London appointed someone available to order. Obviously this
we drove to London that very same like Radboumes. Anyway, having been Renault dealer hadnt seen many 5
evening to take a look. suitably impressed by the vehicle, the Cabriolets and it looked as though a
Jim the guy selling the car was a accompanying history and documenta- replacement window would have to be
Renault buff. He confirmed it was a tion (I even liked the registration specially made.
very rare vehicle indeed and thats what number H something, something, I phoned Jim to see if he could offer
had attracted him to it. He had bought something, EBY), the test drive and the some advice and he suggested I contact
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had been taken over some time ago by
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Technics) though their business, that of
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carrying out conversions to vehicles on
behalf of individual enthusiasts and
motor manufacturers, had remained behalf of UK customers. Because of the hanger, was currently home to about
intact. Of course they had a window,
they had thousands of parts in stock for
a whole range of EBS Super 5s. It
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broken window I had discovered the
origins of my vehicle and furthermore I
had discovered that a Renault 5 GT
fifty Volkswagen Vans, having their
seats removed (or was it fitted) and
many other vehicles in various stages of
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would cost about 30 plus postage. Turbo convertible, especially a UK transformation. My car had already
Excuse me, but did you, when you model was a very rare thing indeed. I been driven to its allocated floor area
were EBS convert this car ? I asked was the proud owner of one of only 13 and was receiving treatment. Beyond
log book in hand and reading off the EBS Super 5s built for the UK market. the shop floor were the storage areas
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chassis and registration number. One As fate would have it I was due at an and amongst the items there were many
moment please. A brief silence. Was I exhibition in Brussels the following hundreds of spare parts for anyone
discovering the birthplace of HEBY,
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who carried out the original conversion could do with renewing. ACT seemed up the street and checked into our hotel.
on my car.
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6th February 1990 and being delivered colleague and I jumped in the car drove I collected the car Thursday
to Renault London on the 28th March. to Ramsgate. Following a hearty morning. Of course they had fixed the
He then faxed me copies of the original breakfast aboard the Seacat we window and those other things I had
documentation and because I was disembarked at Ostend and drove inland asked them to repair and they had also
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curious he faxed me a summary of all to Kortenberg, a small industrial town re-polished the hood and renewed the
conversions that EBS had carried out on about 15 miles north east of Brussels. fittings. They had waxed the vehicle too
behalf of Renault. Naturally most of the We soon found the factory and were and as it stood at the exit gate, roof
conversions were carried out on behalf welcomed as if returning long lost down, engine purring looking like it
of European customers but the Tiddles back to his hitherto distraught must have done when originally leaving
summary he supplied read as follows: owners. Michael and others elaborated the factory six years earlier. The
further on EBSs association with enthusiasm they had shown was quite
Model Total UK Renault and the history of the EBS remarkable. In fact, because I was short
Campus 131 1 Super 5. Several pictures of them on Belgian Francs, they told me not to
TL/TR/TS 103 0 graced the office walls and three new worry about going to the cashpoint as
TSE/GTL/GTR/ looking vehicles, one white, one red they would bill me when I returned
GTS/Auto 341 1 and one blue, were showingly parked home. Would this have happened in
GTX/Baccara/ on a grassy slope outside the entrance. England? I thanked them for their very
Exclusive 168 2 Whether they were for sale or were an considerable attention, and started out
GT Turbo/GTE 131 13 icon to the Companys history I dont on the journey home, the early autumn
Diesel 12 0 recall but EBS certainly seemed proud sunshine cushioning the chill as we left
of their association with the Renault 5. the town and turned onto the country
So between 21-08-87 and 16-10-91 After coffee and biscuits we were roads that would take us back to
886 Renault 5s were converted of shown around. Ostend.
which 17 (13 turbos) were converted on The factory. the size of an aircraft Having learned so much about the
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the car for what it was and I thought the it, Jim, the guy I bought the car from. going for a ride with the roof down and
Classic Car Show would be just the He eventually acquired one of the three thinks I should give it to her when she
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place to find them. Several people non-turbo versions built for the UK. passes her test. She is however only
showed interest and some good offers As for my EBS it remains totally five at the moment so she is charging
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were made, but strangely the interest original. As tempting as it is to upgrade me with the responsibility of keeping it
shown in the car served only to make the engine, add bits of body work or in its pristine condition for several years
me want to keep it. change the wheels, (some 5 Turbos can yet.
I have tried tracking down the look really mean) I think keeping it as Well its away for the winter again
owners of the other UK EBS 5s but to
date with limited success. More
recently some web sites have shown
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EB S intended is only proper. It has
covered just sixty thousand summer
miles in twelve years and remains great
now and will be back on the road in
May. You know I might just pay an
early summer visit to Belgium. I
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details of some conversions but in the fun to drive around the country lanes phoned ACT and they still have that
main these would not appear to be EBS where I live. It never gets thrashed (I Mohair Hood.
models. I have posted details of the car have a 21 turbo quadra for that but Gary Millsom
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large and probably not quite as profes- Peugeot showed a battery of pre-1900 models, of course! We were tempted
sional) and it shares with that German cars and Citron focused on their often by the books and magazines (me)
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show its obvious efforts to please the modern desert marauders, which are far and by the books and models (Brian)
public through its visitor friendliness, larger in the metal than magazine and when, all too early, the show closed
having floor coverings throughout, photographs would lead one to imagine.
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at seven oclock, we staggered back to
which is a bonus for exhibition feet Amongst other vehicles, Renault the hotel, loaded like sherpa porters and
more usually stealthily annihilated by showed one of their cars you have it was clear that we would have to
bare concrete floors, not to mention that never seen, the bulbously aerodynamic return on the morrow to complete our
the food (and drink!) are attractive and
good (no tired sandwiches in France!)
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CX15, repainted in green from its
earlier white, and one of their famous
white six-wheelers, the canvas-topped
journey of discovery.
Thursday morning saw us all up,
bright eyed and bushy tailed some
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stratospheric (when compared, for desert rats of the Twenties, which beat more so than others and, while some
example, to a soccer match) and what
one spends at the show depends on the
pocket money one has saved/ been
comprehensive tour of the
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significantly, period motor boats, Citrons half-tracked Kgresse chose to do Paris, others, including
machines, of which there was an Brian and I, toddled down to the
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along and look and enjoy. huge exposed exhaust stubs, stood the the pleasure of meeting with and talking
But lets start at the beginning. blue replica Twenties World Speed to Monika and Jean-Jacques Mancel,
Thanks to clubman, Brian Whiteside, Record 40CV, which Jean Ragnotti had the latter being the editor of the Mille
who makes an annual pilgrimage driven up Goodwoods hill at the Miles Alpine Magazine (in French) and
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thither, I found myself mid-morning Festival of Speed last year, close to the author of a new book on Alpine cars
one Tuesday in February at one of the where we met up with long-standing and on the men, who made up the
Hotel Ibis near the show in the French friend, Claude Le Maitre, Renault famous quipe dieppois. On the stand, I
capital claiming a hotel reservation, connoisseur and co-author (together bought a copy of that book and also of
after an overnight Portsmouth- with the late Gilbert Hatry) of the the excellent Spanish book focusing
Ouisterham (Caen) ferry crossing and formidable five volume Dossiers primarily on the Alpines, which were
rapid autoroute journey Paris-wards in a Chronologiques Renault set and still a manufactured in Spain and Mexico
diesel P***t Boxer Mini Coach (what a leading light in the Socit Historique (Alpine, Mito y Pasion). As we left
flier!) Settled in, we sallied forth up du Groupe Renault, which provides the stand, Patrick Landon, a past
town on Paris underground network much of the historical back-up for manager of Renaults competitions
for a good meal at Planeyte Renault at these periodic exhibitions. department (as was his father, Francois,
Ollywood, which has the same Brian and I had not finished visiting before him) and recently retired from
remarkable cinematographic dcor the the models and books/magazines stands heading Patrimoine Renault,
whole world over, and to do some before it was time for us to meet up Renaults historic vehicle collection,
sightseeing. with some of the gang at the show now headed up by Christian Schmaltz,
On Wednesday morning, restaurant, where we had a large and arrived.
Rtromobile opened its doors at the delicious plateful of hot ham and mash. Our biggest disappointment of the
very civilized hour of eleven oclock, By comparing notes, it was clear that day was missing Jean Rdl, Papa of
thus allowing us to have a leisurely and Brian and I still had a lot to see, so we Alpine, at the Mille Miles stand by
tasty Continental breakfast, before set off with renewed vigour. Amongst half an hour or so. I last saw and talked
to that legendary gentleman, when windy, ice cold Champs Elyses, from the variants of this little cutey cluttering
Sheila and I drove my then-new red which we diverted into the virtually up the Parisian streets), the hostelries
Renault Alpine A-310/V6, (now in the deserted new Atelier Renault (n Pub and the variety that is Paris, before the
hands of a certain Andy M-W), via Renault), which offered nothing more young guns decided to remain out on
Denmark to our first Club le Turbot than a Vel Satis and an immaculate, the loose until the mtro packed in,
Treffen at Willingen (Germany) in very early production orange 5TL with while our tired feet got the better of us
1983, where it won third place in its plastic-ribbed dashboard, pierced by the and we headed Ibis-wards by that same
concours class (it was almost new then), push-me-pull-you gear lever and a means.
thus allowing me that conversation, as I welter of arty-(*)arty modernity, space The Friday morning saw us all piling
collected a prize, which we have to this and cutesy lighting. The partys general into the ever-willing mini bus with our
very day. What a difference thirty opinion was not positive, as memories recently increased payloads and
minutes can make recalled the old Pub Renault, as heading westwards, breaking for a mid-
Once again, we sampled the midday always packed with diners and the old morning snack at our favourite
gastronomic delights of the show Renault vehicles display on the first autoroute stop and, later, for a pleasant
restaurant and, during the afternoon, we floor as never short of admirers. lunch in sunny but parky, picturesque
talked to Roland Roy of DB Amicale Perhaps Renault should have retained Honfleur, en route to completing the
(the club dedicated to the Champigny- the well-patronised Pub Renault, French leg of our homeward journey to
built Deutsch & Bonnet cars), with thriving as and where it was, and Ouisterham.
whom I had been in contact concerning minimized what we guess are sizeable The final leg home from
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the cars, which Renault had commis- losses with an art nouveau Atelier Portsmouth to the Bournemouth area
sioned Ren Bonnet to build for them to Renault located less expensively was unremarkable, but the whole four
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race in the Fifties at Le Mans, a very elsewhere. days was a super experience and
interesting history, about which, space Considerably chastened, we moved confirmed our high opinions of
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and our Editor permitting, you may on to evaluate the talent, the Twingos Rtromobile. Thank you, Brian, for
learn in future editions of Renotes. (the heart of our clubman, Dafydd making this possible and for driving us
We circled the spare parts and Williams, would certainly have speeded there and back speedily and safely.
accessory stands, desperately trying to up at the sight of huge numbers of all HM-W
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needed for our more mature Renaults
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barn finds (mostly motorcycles and
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MPV in the
again and again) to bring his models segment to also
collection up-to-date and so, eventually, offer a long wheelbase seven-seat
we willingly endured another goods-
laden trek back to the hotel around five A t a time when some of Renaults
biggest rivals are launching their
first compact MPVs, seven years and an
Grand Scenic version, in the same way
as Espace in the full-size MPV
oclock, after we had seen all that we segment.
wanted to see. Or, at least, we thought astonishing 2 million units on from the
that we had seen all that we wanted to original segment-inventing Renault New Scenic provides a wide choice
see... Scenic, New Scenic II was unveiled at of powertrains which make it easy yet
Over this last (Thursday) evening, the Geneva Motorshow prior to going dynamic to drive and are carried over
the party again sallied forth up West on sale in the UK in Autumn 2003. from the Mgane hatch. The engine
via the mtro to the Champs Elyses, Scenic revolutionised the European car range comprises the latest VVT 16V
where the icy wind had frozen the water market by offering a vehicle that could petrol engines and common rail dCi
in the fountains into weird and adapt to many different needs all at a diesels. The range of five-speed and
wonderful shapes. Just off that world- reasonable cost. six-speed manual gearboxes and the
renowned boulevard, we had an Its compact and modern design sequential flick-shift proactive
unusually sub-standard meal (the steak endows it with a distinctive personality automatic transmission is taken from
was the toughest I have ever been that stands out from the general run of New Mgane with changes in gearing
offered in France) at a branch of the compact MPV models. New Scenic to adapt to the needs of New Scenic.
Hippo Grill chain. Not an experience to benefits from technical innovations For more details check the Renault
be repeated! Once again, out onto the developed by Renault for higher-range web site at www.press.renault.co.uk
Annual
General
Meeting
T his years AGM was held at the
Bass Museum, Burton-on-Trent and
following the poor attendance last year
we had hoped that a few more members
would show an interest in the affairs of
the club this year. We were wrong!
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until three stalwarts turned up a little
late and made the meeting quorate. This
despite the fact that more members had
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indicated their intention to attend than
last year.
Perhaps members need reminding ROC Officers 2003/2004
that the AGM is an essential and
necessary part of the club year and it is
incumbent on all members to make an
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effort to turn up. This meeting gives
you the chance to air your views, President/Chairman:
inspect the accounts and bring to the
John Henderson, 24 Long Meadow, Mansfield Woodhouse, Mansfield,
attention of the membership at large
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the fact that she is presently recovering Ms Suzanne Austin, 20 High Close, Padiham, Burnley, Lancs BB12 6PS
from surgery and we are unable to take
the extended break we had planned.
Publicity Officer:
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of the committee as well, members Alex Millen, 16 Lingfield Walk, Hereford HR4 9TR
should not assume that if they dont
turn up at the AGM the club will Editor:
somehow continue to function one John Cowgill, 89 Queen Elizabeth Drive, Beccles, Suffolk NR34 9LA
day it will not! Voter apathy, it seems,
is not confined to electing governments Events Co-ordinator:
but in my view the same principle David Austin, 20 High Close, Padiham, Burnley, Lancs BB12 6PS
applies if you dont vote, dont moan.
Next years AGM will again be held Motor Sport Secretary:
in April and we trust that when the time Keith Hetherington, 22 Hoyle Avenue, Fenham, Newcastle-upon-Tyne NE4 9QX
comes members will not again shirk
their responsibility to the club. Club Shop:
Following the AGM Alex Millen has
Tony Topliss, 59 Kingscliffe Road, Grantham, Lincs NG31 8ET
taken over the web site and Alex can be
contacted by e-mail at
publicity@renaultownersclub.com Committee:
The club shop is now in the hands of Mike Smith, 174 Bangor Road, Newtownards, Co Down, Northern Ireland BT23 7PH
Tony Topliss and items from the shop Rachel Hardisty, 12 Wilton Drive, Hollins, Bury, Lancashire BL9 8BG
will shortly be available for purchase Darren Bowker, 12 Wilton Drive, Hollins, Bury, Lancashire BL9 8BG
on-line. Tim Brocklehurst, 20 Fram Street, Salford, Manchester M6 5GB
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them until 1904, rising to become their
Motor Car Manufacturers Art Journal continuing to get a very good press. (I
works manager.
cannot omit a passage from Coopers
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When he set up in business on his (CWTVMJ) was also very positive and,
Vehicle Journal written in 1913 where,
own account, my grandfather probably referring to the same vehicle,
after commenting on the high quality of
established his factory in Miller Street, spoke of a splendid specimen of body
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Belgian coachbuilders such as Van den
Camden Town, and one of his principal building on Messrs Canns own
Plas and DIeteren, they continue
shareholders was Frederick (sometimes stand a Roi des Belges, painted and
There is something about the designs
Frederic) Abernethy Coleman. Mr trimmed in red, black mouldings, lined
of both these firms something that it
Coleman was described in Cann Ltds
Articles of Association as a journalist,
but he was clearly much involved in
primrose.
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At the beginning of 1909 the
Autocar carried a letter from Cann Ltd
would be rather difficult to put into
words perhaps, but it is something
which stamps them with an individu-
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importing White cars, initially steam arguing that the carriage work of a ality of their own, just as there is also,
driven, but later also petrol driven. (In motor car is essentially the work of a in a design by Mulliner, Maythom,
1915 he was reported in the trade press coachbuilder and cannot be properly Cann and others amongst our own body
as resigning his position as Managing accomplished either in design or
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NW.) trade. Later in the year CWMAJ enables those firms who are in the
Cann Ltd built bodies for a wide visited Cann Ltds factory where 140 happy position of attaining to it to
charge their own prices and get
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now available for private hire. The circuit, which is ideal for hillclimb and sprint Royce for which they built bodies were
cars, rally cars in tarmac trim and short oval race cars is available on a half day or full sold via White Coleman.
day basis. However, changes in the motor
Charges for half day are 50 first vehicle, and 20 per additional vehicle. Two industry and the market, combined with
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sessions are available10am till 1pm or 2pm till 5pm. the effects of the First World War, seem
Members should contact the museum direct both to conform availability and make finally to have been too much. Cann
Ltd was wound up and its Miller Street
a booking. Tel: 01963 440804 or Email: info@haynesmotormuseum.co.uk
factory has completely disappeared. My
Additionally any members of the ROC visiting the museum can obtain 1 off the grandfather resumed business elsewhere
entrance fee on production of their membership card. in Camden Town under the name Cann
& Co: this firm eventually became a
motor repair business, but may have
done some body building in its early
years. Cann & Co. continued until my
father wound it up on his own
retirement in the 1960s.
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counts! only give away to the performance is The next noticeable feature is the
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The Renaultsport Clio 172 caused the discreet Renaultsport badge on the subtle styling, taking on a slightly
something of a storm in the motoring
press when it was launched a couple of
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years ago. For many, memories were
resurrected of the good old days when
hot hatches were the rulers of the road
and a must have for all serious motoring
enthusiasts. An icon of that era was of
course the Renault Clio Williams 16
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valve, this was the one to have. Sold in
limited numbers to ensure a degree of
exclusivity, prices for good second-
hand examples still remain high today.
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example, at a price.
The hot hatch culture reached its
peak in the mid nineties, then, all too
sudden, the love affair turned sour. boot. This was the appeal of the Clio to aggressive look, squatting purposefully
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Insurance companies were no longer us, a real wolf in sheeps clothing, low, I like to use the term bulldoggish,
willing to take the risk of these high definitely not your average Clio. reflecting its compact size, muscular
performance adrenalin-charged pocket Renault since have launched the frame and powerfulness. The use of
rockets, as a result policies went sky revised Clio, giving it a fresh face lift 16inch Speedline alloy wheels add to
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high, it was to prove the nail in the inside and out to ensure the continued the sporty effect filling the wheel arches
coffin for the hot hatch and welcome to popularity and success of the model. amiably and shod with ultra low profile
the sensible five door family saloon. The Renaultsport Clio 172 was no 195/45/16 Continental tyres, handling
Well time has moved on consider- exception and gained the new identity. should be inspiring.
ably since then and guess what (if you News circulated in the motoring The interior adopts a sporty look too,
havent already noticed) the hot hatch is press last year that Renaultsport were with front body hugging seats trimmed
well and truly back, this time more going to introduce a special Clio 172 in a mid grey cloth material, (a bit too
mature and looking for longevity. that would be named the Renaultsport bland for my taste though), my
Renault have over the years Clio Cup 172. It was basically a road preference would be for a splash of
provided drivers with some pretty going version of the highly successful colour to have been added, (tastefully
blinding hot hatches, remember the 5 Clio Cup racing car. Weighing in done of cause), even just an
Gordini and GT Turbo, they were fun, around 90kg less than the standard Clio embroidered Renaultsport Logo on
small and powerful, an exhilarating 172 and with many modifications, each seat face (as per the standard Clio
drive. performance was rumoured to be 172) would suffice, after all its aimed
Renaults offering back into this similar to that of the 3litre V6 Clio, at enthusiastic drivers keen on track
territory is of course the Renaultsport would this prove to be true? days as well as every day use, its just a
Clio 172, which is the car I currently Well actually it is, and let me tell little too dull in my opinion. There are
drive (when the other half lets me!) We you its a real drivers car, suited both blue satin effect inserts that match the
brought it from new in November 2000 to the road and equally to the track, exterior paintwork around the
and have loved every turn of the key brimming with all the hot hatch dashboard, instrument cluster, gear
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you will be surprised to find that its the
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knob and steering wheel, which add to been made to the engine management fastest four seater car money can buy
the sporty feel helping contribute some system compared to the standard 172, under 20,000, the figures speak for
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way to breaking up the sombre black just watch the rev counter rise so freely themselves. Alright, so you loose a few
and grey hues used inside. I wondered and willingly (a real shove in the back creature comforts such as Air Con, ABS
why the lack of aluminium look inserts, over 5000rpm) you have to hold on and EBD (Electronic Brake
surely they portray sporty intentions
better than black and grey, after all its
not a 9-5 rep mobile! Drilled alloy
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tight! You begin to appreciate that the
gear change up light serves a real
purpose and is not just a gimmick after
Distribution), side air bags, leather
seats, carpet mats, multi change CD and
spare wheel (yes I said spare wheel),
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racing pedals are fitted mimicking the all! The maximum speed has not although you are provided with a
Cup racing cars, these help improve the increased from that of the standard Clio couple of quick fix inflator kits instead
overall interior package. A couple of 172 (138mph) however the industry (all helps to shed the Clios puppy fat)
minor observations worth a mention. benchmark of 0-60mph has fallen to 6.5 but you still get plenty of goodies such
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high. The seat could do with being this scenario, you have just forked out player with stalk controls (why is the
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feeling of being hunched over the Boxter and this 12,995 Clio pulls these stalk controls?) electric mirrors,
steering wheel. Secondly, the alongside, the lights change and your electric windows and power assisted
handbrake lever. Its very plasticky and left looking very embarrassed, that just steering (nicely weighted too).
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rather cheap looking for my liking, it how quick it is. Ok its not got the You can even specify roll cages,
carbon fibre brake pads, fire extin-
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works fine, dont get me wrong, but it kudos or prestige, but is that so
could be treated to a touch of leather to important nowadays, if it looks good guisher system, racing seats and body
match the gear knob, (a little gripe I and goes well who cares about harnesses direct from dealers if you are
have with our original Clio 172) surely prestigious badges. Besides for Boxter obsessed with turning your car into a
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this wouldnt affect the price, why money you could have a couple of Clio serious track day monster, after all this
scrimp on those all important finishing 172 Cups sitting proudly on the drive Clio is the basis for group N rally
touches? (his and hers!) and still have plenty of homologation.
Now take a large slurp of your spare change for booking those all If you are in the market considering
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coffee, you are going to need some important fun days on the track with! buying a performance hatch, look no
caffeine to kick-start the old grey Your probably thinking, Ok, its got further than the Cup 172. With the level
matter, so pay attention, here comes the the straight-line performance, but of standard equipment and blistering
technical bit. Under the bonnet lies a whats the road handling like? Can it performance that leaves the competition
Renaultsport developed 2ltr engine with cut the chase or do things start getting for dust, you will be driving the hottest
variable valve timing trickery and messy? Well, the answer is this; the thing to grace roads since the Clio
multipoint fuel injection, producing 172 chassis has been modified including Williams, and thats no lie, drive one
bhp at 6250rpm. Maximum torque is revised castor angles on the front and your going to want one!
developed at 5400rpm delivering suspension, which increase feel and the For those of you still not sure and
200Nm (148lbs/f) quite impressive for a cars stability. The front track has been thinking well at the end of the day its
2litre normally aspirated engine, widened by 20mm and a 10mm only a Clio, thats fine, but for those in
astonishing for a front wheel drive increase at the rear, coupled with firmer the know, they are having the last
'supermini'. No problems are springs all round and lowered by 3mm. laugh!
encountered during midrange The corresponding result is a terrific What do you mean Ive got to give
overtaking manoeuvers, with this handling car, which instills confidence this one back?
amount of power under your right foot, as you turn in, through mid-bend and Thanks to Renault UK Press and
a great degree of confidence will exit, all the time carrying a considerable Public Relations for entrusting me with
always be instilled. Fourth and fifth amount of speed, the Clio feeling totally HK 02 XPA, especially Lisa Haworth
gear pull is amazing, razor sharp poised and fluid throughout the for making this article possible.
responsiveness, tweaks have obviously manoeuver. Ride is not over firm and James Powell
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As with our last overview, let us
2003.
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start on Renaults (original) home contributed significantly to the Renault
Dacia, Renaults sleeper marque is
territory la hexagone. Although brands slightly reduced (0.4%) car and
exporting once again (Renault Algeria
selling almost 20,000 fewer passenger LCV sales of 2,403,975 throughout the
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has introduced to that market the new
cars into a contracted French market, world. The Antipodes held up well
Dacia pick-up, which has cab overtones
Renaults 579,618 units advanced their (Australia +104% and New Zealand
of the old Renault 12/Dacia Denem and
market penetration by 0.4%, whereas +11%), but South Africa was down by
is fitted with the Renault F8Q 1.9D
Peugeots share dipped by 0.6% and,
although Clio sold 0.7% less units than
in 2002, she turned the tables on
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35%. Central Europe pressed forward
by 9.2%, Romania progressed by 44%
(excluding Dacia, which increased by
diesel engine). Furthermore, the
Romanian marque has just launched its
brand new, three-box Dacia Solenza,
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Peugeots top seller, which fell back 5%), Russia showed a 48% increase and which is powered by Renaults 1300cc,
13.9%, by selling 188,210 (8.8% of the the Ukraine a 98% upsurge. 75bhp multi-point petrol injected
market) against the 206s 181,929 Three major EU markets car and engine, coupled to a JH3 gearbox, so it
(8.5%), with Mganes I & II a strong LCV sales for Renaults slipped back
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Renault remained the French market the UK (+8.4%) both showed which should have some of Renault
leader and grew its market share by expansion. Amongst the various groups competitors even the Asian
0.6% with sales of 143,633 units to take European markets, France remained low price manufacturers rubbing their
35.5% of the market against PSAs Renaults best car + LCV area with
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difference !) for 35.7% (Peugeot 18.8% with 25.7% (14,662), Croatia with 200,00 per annum as of 2007, with at
+ Citron 16.9%), with imports at 17.3% (13,398), Portugal with 13.9% least 50,000 being exported.
28.8% (compared to 39.4% of the (42,449), Spain with 12.6% (202,186), Furthermore, a new Renault-based,
passenger car market). Benelux with 11.4% (64,435), low-cost small car, currently called the
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For the fifth year in a row, the Netherlands with 10.4% (64,435) and, X90, will be built as of 2005 in the
Renault brands sales headed Europes the last in double figures, Hungary Renault-owned Avtoframos factory in
best. In Europes Top 10, Renault had (20,145) and Poland (33,074) both Moscow to the tune of 50,000 units per
two in the first five (Mgane at four and claiming 10.1% of their respective annum and, at Russian prices, exporting
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Clio one lower), with Peugeot next best markets. is unlikely to be overlooked and even
(Peugeot 206 at two and Peugeot 307 at Beware of putting too much Romanias bargain prices may seem
six) and group sister Citron Xsara at emphasis on market share, because, steep in comparison.
ten half of the Top 10 out of France! although the best part of a quarter of a Renault themselves have recently
The only other brand to make two into million Renaults were sold into released the face-lifted Kangoo II
this club, was the Opel/Vauxhall Astra Germany, the brand was rewarded with (better looking, quieter and with a
at seven and her Corsa sister at nine. only 6.5% of that market, whereas the leather interior option do we hear
Group-wise, taking cars and LCVs ten times fewer Renaults sold into movement in the Scottish Isles, Tim?),
together, VAG still has 17.3% of the Sweden, brought a reward of nearly 8% the new versions of Mgane II were
European market, with PSA as runner of that market! launched at the Geneva Motor Show
up (15.5%) and Renault in third spot The success story of the Renault (Scnic II in standard and long
with 11.3%, followed by Ford with group was undoubtedly the continuing wheelbase versions plus Mgane II
11.3% (only 5648 units behind meteoric rise in Renault Samsung (glass) folding hardtop coup). Sneak
Renault!) with the General at 9.6% Motors sales in South Korea, which pictures of Clio III have already
and Fiat trailing at 9%. But, if GM burgeoned from nearly seventy appeared in the motoring press
takes Fiat over, which it has the option thousand cars in 2002 (RSM is not yet (including a retractable hardtop
to do and which is likely if the Italian in the LCV market) to nearly 117,000 convertible and a monspace in the
group continues to perform so disap- in 2003. A major contribution to this mould of Twingo).
pointingly, this could catapult the new performance was the introduction of a Truly, no one sleeps while Renault is
conglomerate cleanly above VAG second car, the SM3 (see Renotes around ! H M-W
Conclusion 1971.
The 1973 millsime was unchanged
model-wise from the previous year but,
little by little, the range was adapted to
T he 1970 millsime offered Renault
4 (R-1120) 4CV, Renault 4 Export
(R-1120) 4CV, Renault 4 Plein Air
and 5CV (R-2106) versions of both the
plain sided and glazed Renault 4
Fourgonnette/Van. The major change
meet the first European anti-pollution
and anti-theft norms. The engine was
(R-1123) 5CV and 4CV (R-2105) and was the electrical uprating from 6 volts cleaned up in respect of CO and the
5CV (R-2106) versions of both the to 12 volts across the range and the door locks were strengthened. A
plain sided and the glazed Renault 4 passenger door received the button- collapsible section in the long centre
Fourgonnette/Van. There were few located key barrel lock on the door part of the gear change lever was incor-
differences compared to the previous handle, which had previously been porated to avoid the mechanism being
years models, but the Renault Six five confined to the drivers door. For safety forced into the passenger compartment,
position anti-theft ignition/starter switch reasons, the dashboard interior rear- in the event of frontal impact and, for
was fitted to all versions. Known as the view mirror was changed to a similar reasons, the dashboard was
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Nieman lock, after its manufacturers collapsible model. Non-retractable front made from polypropylene with a
name, it was still rare on the less seat belts, which were previously an grained finish in the centre part. On the
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expensive cars of the time and offered optional extra, became standard comfort side, to overcome the
the security of being unable to start the fitments. previously limited ergonomics, the front
The Export version was endowed seats could be fitted with plastic wedges
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vehicle twice in succession, unless the
key had been returned to the off with a new handbrake handle and to increase the seat height. The rubber
position in between the two attempts. reclining front seats became an option, over-riders reappeared on the bumpers.
The dashboard received a new grey while the Renault Six-type rear
hue and a similar tinted rear parcel shelf
was available with certain body colours,
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parcel shelf was fitted
The van versions received
the same updates, where
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beige. The rear tailgate was fitted with a applicable, as well as twin
balancing mechanism, which allowed exterior rear-view mirrors, the
single-handed operation of this door. drivers one having flat glass
and the passengers side having
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found on the interior sides of the front bolts. The vans clearly adopted the higher up. Inside, the changes were
wheel arches low down and anti-stone same modifications in respect of the more in-your face, to whit hammock-
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chipping compound was applied to the front grille, the fuel tank capacity, the type, crossways patterned, three
exterior sills. The rear parcel shelf was windscreen wipers, the hazard flashers contrasting colour fabric seats with
and the safety belts. But the principle
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now only available in grey and the large plastic covered roll thigh supports
monogram on the front wing was novelty in the commercial range was on the leading edge of the cushion and
deleted. the introduction, as of May 1975, of the plastic faced headrests integrated into
The 8 x 33 crown wheel and pinion long wheelbase versions, fitted with the the one piece tube forming the
was replaced with an 8 x 35 unit, to
shorten the overall gearing on the High
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1108ccs engine, which later adopted the
F6 designation. Compared to the
original vans, the new chassis were
continuous seat frame. Oddment bins
graced the front doors internally, a
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Roof 400kgs van. Renault 5TS steering wheel was fitted
12cms longer, which extended the and, on the centre of the dashboard top,
On the normal vans, the Renault Six
wheelbase accordingly, and 8cms were there was a document clip and moulded
gearbox was fitted, the front wing
added to the rear chassis longerons. indent for small objects. The hubcaps
monogram disappeared and the seat
Thus the total length went up by 20cms.
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which were phased out on 15 July 1975, longer top gear and a shorter reverse
vehicles and not commercials, they
whilst the carrying capacity increased to gear) prevailed.
were equipped with fixed front safety 2.250 cubic metres. Obviously, the
belts and safety belt anchorages in the suspension and bodywork had to be The 1977 millsime range was
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rear and the same updated locks and reinforced and the internal rear wheel unchanged, but the vehicles adopted a
collapsible gear change mechanism as twin circuit braking system all round
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for a smaller one. located, so the number plate transferred rear brakes. The carburettor had a non-
The 1975 millsime range was to the front bumper. For the first time in adjustable slow running jet and the first
widened to nine models and comprised a Renault 4 chassis, there lay in the speed in the gearbox was made shorter.
Renault 4 Luxe (R-1126) 4CV, Renault engine compartment, the 1108cc Inertia reel safety belts were fitted in
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4 Export (R-1126) 4CV, Renault 4 Sierra five main bearing engine from the front, the dashboard was modified
Fourgonnette/Van (R-2109) 4CV, the Renault 6, offering 34bhp (DIN), and the steering wheel came from the
Renault 4 Fourgonnette/Van (R-2106) which changed the fiscal rating to 5TL, whilst the TS version remained on
SCV, Renault 4 High Roof 6CV.had to be slightly modified to the Safari. A small external change
Fourgonnette/Van (R-2108) 5CV, accommodate the safety belt changes. took place the front side lights
Renault 4 Break/Estate (R-2392) 4CV, The 1976 millsime range remained became rectangular instead of round.
Renault 4 Break/Estate (R-2391) 5CV, at nine models Renault 4L (R-1126) The vans received the same updates,
Renault 4 Long Wheelbase 4CV, Renault 4TL (R-1126) 4CV, together with load locating eyes on the
Fourgonnette/Van (R-2370) 6CV and Renault 4 Safari (R-1126) 4CV, floor of the carrying area, but only the
Renault 4 Long Wheelbase Renault 4 Fourgonnette/Van (R-2109) break/estate versions were fitted with
Break/Estate (R-2430) 6CV. 4CV and 5CV (R-2106), Renault 4 the inertia reel safety belts.
The most noticeable difference for Break/Estate (R-2392) 4CV and 5CV The 1978 millsime reached ten
this millsime was the front grille, (R-2391), Renault 4 Long Wheelbase models for the first time. These were
which changed from metal to black Fourgonnette/Van (R-2370) 6CV and Renault 4 (R-1126) 4CV, Renault 4TL
ABS plastic (ABS = acrylonitrile Renault 4 Long Wheelbase (R-1126) 4CV, Renault 4 Safari
butadiene styrene nothing to do with Break/Estate (R-2430) 6CV. Amongst (R-1126) 4CV, Renault 4GTL (112800)
the anti-skid braking system of similar these designations, the terms Luxe and 4CV, Renault 4 Fourgonnette/Van
orthography) with no central cross bar Export disappeared, replaced by the (R-2109) 4CV and 5CV (R-2106),
and the same sized Renault diamond letters L or TL. Technical progress Renault 4 Break/Estate (R-2392) 4CV
moved from the right (as viewed from brought about the dynamos and 5CV (R-2391), Renault 4 Long
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of long loads. There was also a bodywork strake and a chromed
neat canvas tilt with a rear windscreen washer jet block appeared
canvas roll drop.
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on every model in the range. The cloth
1976 R4 Safari interior The 1980 millsime offered an trims braided pattern was superceded
unchanged model range, but tubeless by a dotted pattern one and the
tyres were adopted as time went on, imitation leather took on a fine grain as
Wheelbase Fourgonnette/Van (R-2370)
6CV and Renault 4 Long Wheelbase
Break/Estate (R-2430) 6CV.
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except for the F6 van and for the pick-
up. The base model 4 was fitted with
opposed to a coarse one.
Then, on 15 May 1981, the
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The base model lost the L Renault 5 wheels and the 4GTL with Jogging special edition of 5000
designation, but the other models were those from the 5TL with the plastic examples, was launched. The
unchanged, except that the Renault 4 central hole cover bearing the Renault decoration was lively and colourful on a
GTL was launched for 19,200 francs. diamond. The painted steel window predominantly white background. It
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This new model abandoned the three surrounds gave place to black plastic sported bright blue bumpers and horns
main bearing 782cc Ventoux derived profiling, which reduced rusting together with similar side protectors and
problems and the 4TL grille became a colour co-ordinated insert around the
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wheelbase vans. Besides its power unit, vans, the oil gauge feeder tube was 1962. A bright colours-of-the-rainbow
which gave it a 120kph capability, the modified to allow syphonic oil changes stripe ran along the wing tops and body
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GTL was externally distinguished by its and the F4 vans were fitted with the waist, complemented internally by a
broad band grey coloured plastic lateral basic Renault 5s wheels. At last, the similar but broader stripe running from
protection mouldings and oval slotted vans and the pick-up inherited the more top to bottom of the blue fabric
comfortable drivers seat from the
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plate wheels with chrome headed wheel lightweight seats on white frames. The
nuts, but no hubcaps. Renault Six. internal door panels were invigorated
The front grille also evolved by The 1981 millsime was somewhat by a broad single horizontal full
retaining its form, but changing its confusing in respect of the model desig- rainbow strip on the blue background.
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colour to a clear gray, intended to nations. The range became Renault 4 (Probably sunglasses sales rocketed
match the shade of the side strakes, but (112600) 4CV, Renault 4TL (112600) during this period ... ) Otherwise, the
the older grille was retained for the 4CV, Renault 4GTL (112800) 4CV, internal trim never very prolific on the
other models. For the first time, the Renault 4 Fourgonnette/Van F4 various models of the 4 was black. The
scuttle-mounted cabin air intake flap (210900) 4CV and (210600) 5CV, mechanicals were straight 4GTL and
disappeared to be replaced by a peaked, Renault 4 Break/Estate (239200) 4CV the price was 29,860 francs.
matt black plastic grille. Internally, the and (239100) 5CV, Renault 4 Long The front doors exposed top hinges
doors gained oddment bins. Wheelbase Fourgonnette/Van F6 both were suppressed by hidden ones
The long wheelbase vans took on the plain sided and glazed (23700) 6CV throughout the range.
name F6, whereas the small versions and Renault 4 Pick-up (3C2370) 6CV. The 1982 millsime remained
were called F4. From 1981, the standardisation of the virtually unchanged. The wheel nuts
The 1979 millsime stayed as for the EC manufacturers rectangular build were disguised with black plastic caps,
previous year, but lost one version and plates conformed to the Department des which were somewhat the vogue at the
gained a new one. The Renault 4 Mines (= Ministry of Transport) new time, and the rear badge changed its
Safari (R-1126) 4CV was dropped and directives, by deleting the R of style. For the TL and the GTL, opening
the Renault 4 Pickup (3C-2370) 6CV yesteryear and by adding two zeros, as roof options and the more practical
was introduced. In November 1978, the was already the case with the 4GTL. Renault 5 locking system was adopted.
steering gear was slightly modified and, On the mechanical side, the 4GTL The seat fabrics changed again, the
in February 1979, the 4GTLs Solex 32 and the F6-type vans benefited from dotted theme of the 4 and 4TL giving
SEIA carburettor was replaced with a automatic brake wear compensation and way to a diagonal pattern. For the
4GTL, the multi-circled pattern was unchanged , but the 845cc engine,
replaced by a mottled theme. which was fitted last year, was
The 1983 millsime was slightly optimised by fitting a tamer camshaft, a
rearranged, but there were numerous 32mm carburettor in place of the 28mm
modifications. The base and TL instrument and a distributor with a
versions, as well as the F4 van, vacuum advance mechanism. This had
abandoned the 782cc engine and the effect of further stretching this
engines urban fuel consumption. The
assumed the 845cc capacity, with the
exhaust tailpipe no longer emerged in
final drive ratio being lengthened simul-
front of the left hand side rear wheel,
taneously, thus stretching the cheap
but from the back of the vehicle.
grade petrol consumption and
For security reasons, a laminated
maximising the change in the power GTL interior
windscreen replaced the toughened
unit. glass item previously fitted as standard.
A new beige or ash coloured, rear tailgate and the interior trim was a
injection moulded instrument panel The 1985 millsime remained
unchanged from the previous year. model-specific tartan. The front and
from the Renault 5 blended into the rear screen washer jets were matt black.
dashboard ensemble and received the The 1986 millsime was again
simplified switchgear and the steering unchanged, except that the F6 The 1988 millsime was unchanged.
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wheel from the same vehicle. After Fourgonnette/Van production ceased in The 1989 millsime was reduced to
twenty-one years, the interior rearview November 1985 and the F4 two models, as the F4 went out of
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mirror departed its dashboard home and Break/Estate followed suit in June production in France.
migrated vertically, to be stuck high up 1986. The wheels on the 4TLSavaneand
in the centre of the interior of the A special edition of 2200 Sixties, the 4GTLClanwere slightly changed
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with the 1108cc engine, and were identical to those fitted to the
brighter colours and 4GTL in 1986. The safety belt width
interior trim, and two trimmed down from 60mm to 50mm.
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tinted glass moon
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The 1987 millsime
The 1990 millsime remained
unchanged, but the two remaining
passenger models gained a second
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was much reduced to external rearview mirror and a high
Renault 4TLSavane intensity rear fog light.
(112C00) 4CV, Renault The 1991 millsime remained as for
4GTL Clan (112800) the previous year, but there was a
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For sale/swop. 1989 Saab 900S 16V non-turbo,
electric windows, roof, mir ror s and heated
seats. recon gearbox, metallic grey, 3 door
classic shape. Very r eliable, fast and mor e
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