ISO/TC 10/SC 10/WG 10 N 44

Date: 2007-03-20
Source: Secretariat ISO/TC 10/SC 10/WG 10
Project: ISO/TS 16952-10
Status: 30.60 (CD – comments circulated)
Requested action: discussion at the next WG 10 meeting
Distribution: Members of WG 10

ISO/TC 10/SC 10/WG 10

Reference designation system

Secretariat: DIN

ISO/TS 16952-10 –
Comments on CD (Draft TS)

Attached please find the collated comments on ISO/DTS 16952-10 "Technical product
documentation – Reference designation system – Part 10: Power plants" (= SC 10 N 275 =
WG 10 N 40).

We will discuss the comments at the forthcoming meeting of WG 10 in Berlin on 2007-05-30.

Angela Rosenkranz-Wuttig
Secretary of ISO/TC 10/SC 10/WG 10

Annex
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DE- Introduction Figure 1 te VGB B 101 is not ordered on the "right" level. VGB B 101 should be on the same level as
01 ISO/TS 16952-10.
See Annex 1
DE- 6.3.1 Figure 11 te Figure 11, section 3 states: Figure 11 should be changed to:
02 „Classification of technical equipment „Classification of technical object
according to IEC/PAS 62400“. according to IEC/PAS 62400“
for section 3
In Figures 17 and 18 it is stated in the comparable
position: and
„Classification of technical object
according to IEC/PAS 62400“. “Numbering of technical objects”
for section 4
CH- 6.3.2.2 Fig. 12 te Without referring to an equipment, it is hard to sensitise The control task shall follow a technical equipment
01 the purpose of the control task
DE- 6.4.1 Figure 14 te The representation of only one level (break down level 1) Figure 14 should be supplemented with break
03 excludes visually a nested reference designation of the down level 2. (nested reference designation of the
equipment. equipment)
See Annex 2
DE- 6.4.2 te This clause/paragraph fits better in clause 6.4.1. The text should be integrated in clause 6.4.1 as a
04 2nd paragraph. This gives a better connection to
Figure 14.
See Annex 2

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Subclause Figure/Table/ of on each comment submitted
No./ Note com-
Annex (e.g. Table 1) ment2
(e.g. 3.1)

DE- 6.4.3 te The use of the term "component" here is not in line with The term "equipment" should be used.
05 the definition C.16 in ISO/TS 16952-1: See Annex 3
„industrial product which serves a specific function or
functions, which is not decomposable or physically
divisible and which is intended for use in a higher order
assembled product [IEC 61360-1]"

DE- 6.4.3 te This clause specifies the most important designation – A more detailed presentation is required.
06 because it is complete – of the power plant technology.
However, it is not described detailed enough. See Annex 3
DE- 6.4.3 te For this clause, tables are missing for the letters codes for Tables should be inserted from VGB B101 and
07 the break down level 1 (systems in accordance with VGB IEC/PAS 62400 and completed with a figure.
B101) and the break down level 2 (technical objects in
accordance with IEC/PAS 62400). See Annex 4

1. The first letter of the system key VGB B101 is the

elementary basis in the power plant technology, in
particular for the application of the reference designation
system. It contributes fundamentally to the understanding
of the power plant structure at the topmost system level. It
also promotes the acceptance by recognition.
2. The first letter from the IEC/PAS 62400 is worldwide
obligatory for all technical sectors. For the power plant
technology this first letter is new compared with previous
classification letters. Recognition cannot be expected
(possible acceptance disadvantage). The advantage lies
in finding these letters already stipulated in the sector
specific standard.
CH- 6.5.1.3 Title te Is it system-oriented or function-oriented? If it is function-oriented please correct the prefix to
02 =

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CH- 6.6.1.2 Figure 23 te Why not use the same philosophy of using
03 Installation Designation for the section 5 as in the
earlier structure, because this component follows a
breakdown mark •. Section 1&2 clearly defines the
signal information.
DE- 6.6.1.2 Figure 24 te Figure 24 and Table 5 are not in line. Change in accordance with
08
Annexes 5a und 5b
DE- 6.6.2.2 Figure 26 ed The prefix "; "is not correct here. Change prefix from " ; " to " : " .
09
CH- 7.1 Below table te Linkups of the # - Conjoint designation are missing Add below the Table 6: The designation block may
04 6 be linked with Function, Functional allocation,
Point of installation, Location and Document kind
class code, or enhance the Table 6 accordingly
CH- Annex A Figure A.1 te The position of prefixes is not mentioned or shown Place a following note below the Figure A.1:
05 explicitly NOTE: The proper position of prefixes in spaced
writing are shown in the Table A.1
CH- Annex D.4 Figure D.4 te The process ‘heat recovery from flue gas’ is missing Add this process into the diagram, connecting the
06 flue gas line and the block ‘Energy released by
burning’. In this line, the block ‘Heat recovery from
flue gas’ shall be placed.
CH- Annex D.4 Figure D.5 te Waste handling (==F30) Change to ‘Disposal processes’
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CH- Annex D.4 Figure D.5 te The process ‘Heat recovery from flue gas’ is missing Add ‘Heat recovery from flue gas’ as ==F20
08 DBA40
CH- Annex D.4 Figure D.5 te ‘Liquid fuels are missing’ Add a ‘Liquid fuels’ box into the diagram as ==F10
09 DAA 30

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10 ==F10 DAB 40
DE- Annex D.6 Figure D.7 te The legend is missing here. Add a legend in accordance with
10
Annex 6

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(DE-01)

IEC 61346-2 IEC 61346-1 IEC 61175 IEC 61666 IEC 61355
Classification of Structuring principles and Signals Terminals Documents
objects reference designations

IEC/PAS 62400 ISO/TS 16952-1

Letter codes of Reference Designation System
technical objects General application rules

ISO/TS 16952-10 VGB B 101

Reference Designation System Letter codes for systems
Power Plants (RDS-PP) in power plants
Annex 2
(DE-03 and DE-04)

6.4 Product aspect

6.4.1 Designation Block "Product"

This designation block is used for product-oriented designation of electrical and mechanical objects; see
Fig.14.
If an object is to be further structured in its parts, the "nested product-oriented designation" shall be
applied, where several blocks are concatenated in the sense of the multi-level reference designation.
The prefix shall be placed in front of the first designation block only (example see Figure D.6).

Breakdown level 1 2
Section 1 2 3 4
Number / type of data position - AA (N)NN AA (N)NN

Prefix
Classification of technical objects
according to IEC/PAS 62400

Numbering of objects

Figure 14 — Structure and contents of designation block “Product”

Annex 3
(DE-05 and DE-06)

6.4.2 Equipment designation in power plant engineering

For an unambiguous identification of technical objects in power plant engineering, the possibility is
used to consider in succession following objects according to different aspects – function and
product aspect. The structure of such designation block is shown in Figure 15.

Function Product

GS0 GS1 GS2 GS1 GS2

= ANN AAANN AANNN - AANN(N) AANN(N)
Prefix Main System Technical Prefix Product Product
system subsystem equipment
= C01 MDK51 GP001 - MA01 XD02
= C01 MDY10 QA001 - QA07

Equipment

Example 1: =C01 MDK51 GP001 -MA01XD01

wind turbine generator system C01, wind turbine system MD, power
transmission (drive train) K, transmission lubricant subsystem 51,
conveying GP001; electric motor MA01, junction box XD02
Example 2: =C01 MDY10 QA001 -QA07
wind turbine generator system C01, wind turbine system MD, power
transmission (drive train) K, transmission lubricant subsystem 51,
conveying GP001; motor starter QA01

Figure 15 – Structure of the designation block “Equipment”

Annex 4
(DE-07)

Table 3 — Letter code for designation block "Function",

breakdown level 1, section 1, data character 1

Code letter Denomination

Objects for conjoint A Systems for common tasks

tasks
Objects for the B Electrical auxiliary power supply systems
power plant
C Control and management systems
process
D Functional allocation (group level)
E Fuel supply and residue disposal (not including nuclear)
F Handling of nuclear items
G Water supply, disposal and treatment
H Heat generation including flue gas removal and treatment
(excluding nuclear)
J Nuclear heat generation
K Nuclear auxiliary systems
L Steam, water, gas systems
M Systems for generation and transmission of electrical energy
N Process energy supply for external loads
P Circulating (cooling) water systems
Q Auxiliary systems
R Utilization of heat from regenerative energy sources (excluding
combustion processes)
S - reserved for later standardization -
T - reserved for later standardization -
U Structures and surfaces for systems in the power plant process
Objects which are V Systems for storage of material or goods
not allocated to the
W Systems for administrative tasks or staff amenities
power plant
process X Ancillary systems
Y Communication and information systems
Z Structures and surfaces for systems outside of the power plant
process

Source: VGB PowerTech Guideline B 101 e

 E L M P
Fuel supply and Steam, Water, Systems for Circulating (cooling)
fuel residue disposal and gas systems generation and water systems
transmission of
H electrical energy Q
Heat generation Auxiliary systems
including flue gas
removal and treatment

Figure 16 – Overview with code letters and denominations, e.g. Steam Power Plant
Table 4 — Letter code for designation block "Function", breakdown level 2, section 3,
data character 1 and for designation block "Product",
breakdownlevel 1, section 1, data character 1

Code letter Denomination

A Two or more purposes or tasks

B Conversion of an input variable (physical property, condition or event) to a specific signal for
further processing
C Storage of energy, information or material
D - reserved for future standardization -
E Technical facilities for providing radiation or thermal energy
F Direct (self-acting) protection of an energy or signal flow, of personnel or facilities from dangerous
or unwanted conditions including systems and equipment for protective purposes
G Initiation of an energy or material flow; generation of signals which are used as an information
carrier or reference source
H Production of a new type of material or products
J - reserved for future standardization -
K Processing (receipt, processing and generation) of signals or information (with exception of
objects for protection purposes, see class F)
L Provision of mechanical energy for driving purposes
M Presentation of information
N - reserved for future standardization -
P Presentation of information
Q Controlled switching or variation of a flow of energy, signal or material
(see classes K and S for signals in closed/open feedback control loops)
R Restricting or stabilization of movement or flow of energy, information or material
S Conversion of a manual operation to a specific signal for further processing
T Conversion of energy while retaining the energy type, conversion of an existing signal while
retaining the information content, changing of the form or geometry of a material
U Keeping objects in a defined position
V Processing (handling) of material or products (including pre-treatment and post-treatment)
W Conducting or routing energy, signals, materials or products from one location to another
X Connecting objects
Y - reserved for future standardization -
Z - reserved for future standardization -

Source: IEC/PAS 62400 Ed.1: 2005-06

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(DE-08)

Table 7 – Specification of sequential numbers for the signal classes B, G and H

Sequential Signal class

number B G H
001 Check back on/open LV > max 1, check back on/on LV > max 1
002 Check back off/closed LV > min 1, check back off/off LV > min 1
003 LV > max 2 LV > max 2
004 LV > min 2 LV > min 2
005 LV > max 3 LV > max 3
006 LV > min 3 LV > min 3
007
008
009
010
011 Push button command on/open
012 Push button command off/closed
013 Control command
014
……
021 Autom. command on/open
022 Autom. command off/closed
023 Control command
024
…..
031 Protection command on/open
032 Protection command off/closed
033 Control command
024
…..
…..
051 Check back on/not open LV < max 1, check back on/on not open LV < max 1
052 Check back off/not closed LV < min 1, check back off/not closed LV < min 1
053 LV < max 2 LV < max 2
054 LV < min 2 LV < min 2
055 LV < max 3 LV < max 3
056 LV < min 3 LV < min 3
Note LV = Limit Value
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(DE-08)

max …;XG01 LV > max

…;XG51 LV <max
Operational level

…;XG02 LV > min

…;XG52 LV < min
min

Figure 24 – Specification for operational level

Annex 6
(DE-10)

Figure

LAC Feed-water conveyance system

LAC10 Pump sub system (booster pump and main pump)
LAC11 Drive sub system
LAC12 Condensation steam turbine drive
LAC13 Power transmission
LAC14 Bearing oil subsystem
LAC15 Control fluid subsystem
LAC16 Sealing steam subsystem
LAC17 Sealing water subsystem

Figure D.7– Feed-water conveyance with steam turbine drive