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Andreas Schulz View profile More options Dec 3 2000, 8:52 am About this group
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Andrew Gabriel View profile More options Dec 3 2000, 1:00 pm
In article <90cg1d$m8h...@id-63303.news.dfncis.de>,
fr...@localhost.eng.sun.com (Andreas Schulz) writes:
>Hi all,
>I have solaris 8 installed on my PC. To be exact on my 16 MB harddisk

>on which I created a 8MB Solaris partition with Solaris fdisk.
>Then I create normal unix partition on this 8Mb partition and install
>Solaris.
>Now I create a second Solaris partition on this harddisk with fdisk.
>But how could I use this partition under Solaris?
>There are no devices for this second partition.
>Is it unchangable, if I first don't use the whole harddisk for Solaris
>and later want to add a new fdisk partition?
You can only have a single Solaris fdisk partition per disk.
Actually, this is part of the original PC spec - only a single
fdisk partition of any one type is allowed. Consequently,
Solaris (and any SysV/386 conforming unix) doesn't provide
access to more than one fdisk partition (for unix filesystems
anyway).
There is a hack you can do to make other primary fdisk

…google.com/…/1f974059c14784cb?ln… 1/11
There is a hack you can do to make other primary fdisk
partitions into single ufs filesystems, but it's a bit fiddly.
I've posted details a few times before - search deja.com if
you want to look up this.
--
Andrew Gabriel
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Philip Brown View profile More options Dec 3 2000, 1:00 pm
On 3 Dec 2000 10:47:04 GMT, and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk wrote:
>...
>There is a hack you can do to make other primary fdisk
>partitions into single ufs filesystems, but it's a bit fiddly.
what fiddly? I thought it was as simple as just using the raw

fdisk partition.
EG: if your solaris partition is fdisk partition 1, and you want to use
extra space in fdisk partition 2, you would use
newfs /dev/rdsk/c0d0f2
mount /dev/dsk/c0d0f2 /mnt
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In article <slrn92l7v9.9q4.phil...@shell3.ba.best.com>,
phil...@bolthole.no-bots.com (Philip Brown) writes:
>On 3 Dec 2000 10:47:04 GMT, and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk wrote:

>>...
>>There is a hack you can do to make other primary fdisk
>>partitions into single ufs filesystems, but it's a bit fiddly.
>what fiddly? I thought it was as simple as just using the raw

>fdisk partition.
>EG: if your solaris partition is fdisk partition 1, and you want to use
>extra space in fdisk partition 2, you would use
>newfs /dev/rdsk/c0d0f2
>mount /dev/dsk/c0d0f2 /mnt
That just gets you some message like "No VTOC" (assuming you use
the correct device node names). Search back on deja.com for the
full method.
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Andrew Gabriel
On 3 Dec 2000 20:47:31 GMT, and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk wrote:
>In article <slrn92l7v9.9q4.phil...@shell3.ba.best.com>,

> phil...@bolthole.no-bots.com (Philip Brown) writes:
>>what fiddly? I thought it was as simple as just using the raw
>>fdisk partition.
>>EG: if your solaris partition is fdisk partition 1, and you want to use
>>extra space in fdisk partition 2, you would use
>>newfs /dev/rdsk/c0d0f2
>>mount /dev/dsk/c0d0f2 /mnt
>That just gets you some message like "No VTOC" (assuming you use
>the correct device node names).
how odd. If having a vtoc is a requirement, I wonder how

lofi works.
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Andy View profile More options Dec 4 2000, 6:39 am
In article <90cg1d$m8h...@ID-63303.news.dfncis.de>, andr...@schulz-

live.de wrote:
>Hi all,
>I have solaris 8 installed on my PC. To be exact on my 16 MB harddisk

>on which I created a 8MB Solaris partition with Solaris fdisk.
>Then I create normal unix partition on this 8Mb partition and install
8MB! Wow! What kind of file compression are you using?

:)
Yousuf Khan View profile More options Dec 4 2000, 10:50 am
In article <90cg1d$m8h...@ID-63303.news.dfncis.de>,
andr...@schulz-live.de wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have solaris 8 installed on my PC. To be exact on my 16 MB harddisk

> on which I created a 8MB Solaris partition with Solaris fdisk.
> on which I created a 8MB Solaris partition with Solaris fdisk.
> Then I create normal unix partition on this 8Mb partition and install
> Solaris.
> Now I create a second Solaris partition on this harddisk with fdisk.
> But how could I use this partition under Solaris?
> There are no devices for this second partition.
I'll assume all of those references to "MB" actually mean "GB".
Have you tried rescanning the device tree, especially the disk device
tree? That's usually done with a "touch /reconfigure" followed by a
system reboot. Or if you don't want to reboot, you can try the
following two commands:
drvconfig
disks
These two commands executed one after the other will rescan the device
tree for you.
Yousuf Khan
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Before you buy.
Yousuf Khan View profile More options Dec 4 2000, 11:00 am
In article <90cg1d$m8h...@ID-63303.news.dfncis.de>,
andr...@schulz-live.de wrote:
> Is it unchangable, if I first don't use the whole harddisk for Solaris
> and later want to add a new fdisk partition?
Actually, after posting my last message to you, I went on Sunsolve and

found the following Infodoc 13142.
http://sunsolve.sun.com/private-cgi/retrieve.pl?doc=infodoc%
2F13142&zone_32=x86%20fdisk
Here's the text of the Infodoc:

-------------------------------
A single hard disk should contain only one active Solaris partition.
However,
it is possible to convert unpartitioned disk space on the same hard disk
for use with Solaris 2.x x86. Use the following procedure at your own
risk.
This is not guaranteed to work on all systems.
Instructions for making additional Unix file systems

----------------------------------------------------
You can have up to 4 fdisk partitions per hard drive, but only
one can be used for Solaris 2.x x86.
However, it is possible to create unix file systems on other fdisk

partitions that are mountable by Solaris 2.x x86. These partitions
cannot be subdivided into slices the way the main Solaris partition
is. You can have only one filesystem on each additional
fdisk partition.
WARNING: USE THIS PROCEDURE AT YOUR OWN RISK. IT IS NOT
WARNING: USE THIS PROCEDURE AT YOUR OWN RISK. IT IS NOT
OFFICIALLY
TESTED OR DOCUMENTED. IF THERE IS AN ERROR IN YOUR
CALCULATIONS YOU
COULD INADVERTENTLY DESTROY ADJACENT FDISK PARTITIONS.
fdisk /dev/rdsk/c#t#d#p0 (for a SCSI drive)

or
fdisk /dev/rdsk/c#d#p0 (for an IDE drive)
(where # is filled in for the device you are using)
Create a new partition of type "OTHER". Get the length from the length
field for this new partition. The following example uses partition #3
for Solaris 2.x x86 with a length of 515 cylinders.
-Take note of the cylinder size. The line for this info is worded:
"Cylinder size is 896 (512 byte) blocks"
-Now multiply the fdisk length (515) and cylinder size (896).
896 * 515 = 461440 bytes
-Create UNIX ufs filesystem on new partition
mkfs -F ufs /dev/rdsk/c#t#d#p3 461440 (for a SCSI drive)

or
mkfs -F ufs /dev/rdsk/c#d#p3 461440 (for an IDE drive)
^
|
Change this to whatever partition number is used.
Now you have a UFS file system that you can mount at /dev/dsk/c#t#d#p3
(for a SCSI drive) or /dev/dsk/c#d#p3 (for an IDE drive)

Before you buy.
On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 05:48:22 GMT, yk...@my-deja.com wrote:

>...
> -Create UNIX ufs filesystem on new partition
>mkfs -F ufs /dev/rdsk/c#t#d#p3 461440 (for a SCSI drive)

>or
>mkfs -F ufs /dev/rdsk/c#d#p3 461440 (for an IDE drive)
Huh. So the only special preceedure needed is to look up the size of the
slice, in bytes.
How lazy of the person who wrote newfs for intel, considering that
ioctl( DKIOCPARTINFO) work just fine on c#d#p# devices .
Too bad that solaris fdisk doesnt bother to report size in blocks, instead
of just idiotic cylinders.
Oh.
I guess this is a good time to share my read-only version of fdisk, if you

I guess this is a good time to share my read-only version of fdisk, if you
want a quick-n-easy way of viewing this sort of thing under solaris, without
rebooting :-)
Output looks like the following:
# fdisk /dev/dsk/c0d0p0 (works on dsk OR rdsk)

Fdisk information for device /dev/dsk/c0d0p0
# start block end block startCylSecHd endCylSecHd OSType
1: 0000000063 0000112392 0/ 1/ 1 6/3f/fe DOS(HUGE)
2: 0000112455 0000208845 7/ 1/ 0 13/3f/fe DOS(Extended)
3: 0000321300 0001959930 14/ 1/ 0 8d/3f/fe LINUX Native
4: 0002281230 0000578340 8e/ 1/ 0 b1/3f/fe SOLARIS (/linuxswap)
http://www.bolthole.com/solaris/x86.html
has links to "getfdisk.c" and "getvtoc.c"
remember, 1 block always==512 bytes.
--
Mike Sullivan View profile More options Dec 4 2000, 1:00 pm
In <slrn92le8k.g51.phil...@shell3.ba.best.com> phil...@bolthole.no-
bots.com (Philip Brown) writes:
- Show quoted text -
By faking one up. newfs doesn't care much, but it does want the vtoc
ioctl's to succeed.
Mike
On 4 Dec 2000 21:19:06 GMT, mik...@yavin.Sun.COM wrote:
>...
>>how odd. If having a vtoc is a requirement, I wonder how
>>lofi works.
>By faking one up. newfs doesn't care much, but it does want the vtoc
>ioctl's to succeed.
the better solution would have been to fix newfs, instead of hacking the
lofi driver.
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Mike Sullivan View profile More options Dec 5 2000, 6:22 am
In <slrn92o80f.ni5.phil...@shell3.ba.best.com> phil...@bolthole.no-
>On 4 Dec 2000 21:19:06 GMT, mik...@yavin.Sun.COM wrote:

>>...
>>>how odd. If having a vtoc is a requirement, I wonder how
>>>lofi works.
>>By faking one up. newfs doesn't care much, but it does want the vtoc
>>ioctl's to succeed.
>the better solution would have been to fix newfs, instead of hacking the
>lofi driver.
Well, I should rephrase then. newfs wants to use the vtoc ioctls
so that it can figure out what parameters to give to mkfs. So it
needs some idea of the geometry of the "disk". For lofi, the exact
numbers don't matter much, so they just have to be right enough that
newfs works.
Mike
Philip Brown View profile More options Dec 5 2000, 6:47 am
On 5 Dec 2000 01:11:17 GMT, mik...@yavin.Sun.COM wrote:
>In <slrn92o80f.ni5.phil...@shell3.ba.best.com> phil...@bolthole.no-

>>the better solution would have been to fix newfs, instead of hacking the
>>lofi driver.
>Well, I should rephrase then. newfs wants to use the vtoc ioctls
>so that it can figure out what parameters to give to mkfs. So it
>needs some idea of the geometry of the "disk". For lofi, the exact
>numbers don't matter much, so they just have to be right enough that
>newfs works.
That doesnt change the brokenness of newfs.

In fact, you just pointed out that it doesnt really matter what values
newfs is fed, because lofi fakes em, and it works.
So it would be nice if newfs just made something up, if the ioctl on

geometry wasn't available.
The irony is, the DKIOCGEOM ioctl IS AVAILABLE for c0d0p[01234], for
"geometry". and DKIOCPARTINFO can be used to get the size of the
partition.
So there's no rational reason why newfs shouldn't support it natively.
It just doesn't right now.
Someone at sun should fix it. It should be trivial.
--

a_schulz View profile More options Dec 5 2000, 12:30 pm
Hi all,
I will try this out.

Thanks.
Bye
Andreas
PS: Of course all MBs should be GBs!
In article <90fb75$8o...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Yousuf Khan <yk...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <90cg1d$m8h8$1@ID-
63303.news.dfncis.de>,
> andr...@schulz-live.de wrote:
> > Is it unchangable, if I first don't use the
whole harddisk for Solaris

> > and later want to add a new fdisk partition?
> Actually, after posting my last message to you,
I went on Sunsolve and

> found the following Infodoc 13142.
> http://sunsolve.sun.com/private-cgi/retrieve.pl?
doc=infodoc%
> 2F13142&zone_32=x86%20fdisk
> Here's the text of the Infodoc:

> -------------------------------
> A single hard disk should contain only one
active Solaris partition.

> However,
> it is possible to convert unpartitioned disk
space on the same hard disk

> for use with Solaris 2.x x86. Use the following
procedure at your own

> risk.
> This is not guaranteed to work on all systems.
> Instructions for making additional Unix file

systems
> ------------------------------------------------
----
> You can have up to 4 fdisk partitions per hard

drive, but only
drive, but only
> one can be used for Solaris 2.x x86.
> However, it is possible to create unix file
systems on other fdisk

> partitions that are mountable by Solaris 2.x
x86. These partitions

> cannot be subdivided into slices the way the
main Solaris partition

> is. You can have only one filesystem on each
additional
> fdisk partition.
> WARNING: USE THIS PROCEDURE AT YOUR OWN RISK.
IT IS NOT OFFICIALLY
> TESTED OR DOCUMENTED. IF THERE IS AN ERROR IN
YOUR CALCULATIONS YOU

> COULD INADVERTENTLY DESTROY ADJACENT FDISK
PARTITIONS.
> fdisk /dev/rdsk/c#t#d#p0 (for a SCSI drive)

> or
> fdisk /dev/rdsk/c#d#p0 (for an IDE drive)
> (where # is filled in for the device you are

using)
> Create a new partition of type "OTHER". Get the
length from the length

> field for this new partition. The following
example uses partition #3

> for Solaris 2.x x86 with a length of 515
cylinders.
> -Take note of the cylinder size. The line for
this info is worded:
> "Cylinder size is 896 (512 byte) blocks"
> -Now multiply the fdisk length (515) and
cylinder size (896).
mount at /dev/dsk/c#t#d#p3
> (for a SCSI drive) or /dev/dsk/c#d#p3 (for an

IDE drive)
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

> Before you buy.

Before you buy.
an_schulz View profile More options Dec 5 2000, 1:00 pm
Hi all,
So I try it out.
The length of the partition is 14902 with 1008 cylinders.
So I do the following comand and get the error:
# mkfs -F ufs /dev/rdsk/c0d1p3 15021216

Can not determine partition size: Invalid argument
Does anybody know, what I should do now?
Bye
Andreas
In article <90fb75$8o...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Yousuf Khan <yk...@my-deja.com> wrote:

Before you buy.
In article <90jna0$q8...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
an_sch...@gmx.de writes:
>Hi all,
>So I try it out.

>The length of the partition is 14902 with 1008 cylinders.
>So I do the following comand and get the error:
># mkfs -F ufs /dev/rdsk/c0d1p3 15021216

>Can not determine partition size: Invalid argument
What does this report...
fdisk -W /dev/fd/1 /dev/rdsk/c0d1p0
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Can I use a second solaris fdisk partition? Options Discussions

Andrew Gabriel View profile More options Dec 3 2000, 1:00 pm

>I have solaris 8 installed on my PC. To be exact on my 16 MB harddisk

There is a hack you can do to make other primary fdisk

Philip Brown View profile More options Dec 3 2000, 1:00 pm

On 3 Dec 2000 10:47:04 GMT, and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk wrote:

what fiddly? I thought it was as simple as just using the raw

Andrew Gabriel View profile More options Dec 3 2000, 1:00 pm

>On 3 Dec 2000 10:47:04 GMT, and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk wrote:

>what fiddly? I thought it was as simple as just using the raw

Philip Brown View profile More options Dec 3 2000, 1:00 pm

On 3 Dec 2000 20:47:31 GMT, and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk wrote:

>In article <slrn92l7v9.9q4.phil...@shell3.ba.best.com>,

how odd. If having a vtoc is a requirement, I wonder how

Andy View profile More options Dec 4 2000, 6:39 am

In article <90cg1d$m8h...@ID-63303.news.dfncis.de>, andr...@schulz-

>I have solaris 8 installed on my PC. To be exact on my 16 MB harddisk

8MB! Wow! What kind of file compression are you using?

Yousuf Khan View profile More options Dec 4 2000, 10:50 am

> I have solaris 8 installed on my PC. To be exact on my 16 MB harddisk

I'll assume all of those references to "MB" actually mean "GB".

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Yousuf Khan View profile More options Dec 4 2000, 11:00 am

Actually, after posting my last message to you, I went on Sunsolve and

Here's the text of the Infodoc:

Instructions for making additional Unix file systems

However, it is possible to create unix file systems on other fdisk

fdisk /dev/rdsk/c#t#d#p0 (for a SCSI drive)

(where # is filled in for the device you are using)

"Cylinder size is 896 (512 byte) blocks"

896 * 515 = 461440 bytes

-Create UNIX ufs filesystem on new partition

mkfs -F ufs /dev/rdsk/c#t#d#p3 461440 (for a SCSI drive)

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Philip Brown View profile More options Dec 4 2000, 1:00 pm

On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 05:48:22 GMT, yk...@my-deja.com wrote:

>mkfs -F ufs /dev/rdsk/c#t#d#p3 461440 (for a SCSI drive)

I guess this is a good time to share my read-only version of fdisk, if you

Output looks like the following:

# fdisk /dev/dsk/c0d0p0 (works on dsk OR rdsk)

has links to "getfdisk.c" and "getvtoc.c"

remember, 1 block always==512 bytes.

Mike Sullivan View profile More options Dec 4 2000, 1:00 pm

- Show quoted text -

Philip Brown View profile More options Dec 4 2000, 1:00 pm

On 4 Dec 2000 21:19:06 GMT, mik...@yavin.Sun.COM wrote:

Mike Sullivan View profile More options Dec 5 2000, 6:22 am

>On 4 Dec 2000 21:19:06 GMT, mik...@yavin.Sun.COM wrote:

Philip Brown View profile More options Dec 5 2000, 6:47 am

On 5 Dec 2000 01:11:17 GMT, mik...@yavin.Sun.COM wrote:

>In <slrn92o80f.ni5.phil...@shell3.ba.best.com> phil...@bolthole.no-

That doesnt change the brokenness of newfs.

So it would be nice if newfs just made something up, if the ioctl on

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a_schulz View profile More options Dec 5 2000, 12:30 pm

I will try this out.

PS: Of course all MBs should be GBs!

> In article <90cg1d$m8h8$1@ID-

whole harddisk for Solaris