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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] real delivery address Monday, September 19, 2011 5:22:58 PM

I'm a member at NWC.co I can speak with the folks in charge there tonight. Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 19, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: or maybe someone can run down to a Mailboxes Etc and open an account. There is one .5 miles from Zuccotti Park. Maybe there is somewhere even closer? Micah On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:56 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I bet if you talked to these folks: http://nwc.co/ you could get a delivery spot for cheap or free, and they are located in chinatown, not far from liberty. On Sep 19, 2011 2:54 PM, "Micah White" <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Can we get a real address that can take deliveries from UPS/Fedex/USPS/DHL? > Need a place with someone who will be there to sign for things, if > necessary. > > This would make it a lot easier for the internet to send supplies... > > Micah

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] real delivery address Monday, September 19, 2011 2:56:41 PM

I bet if you talked to these folks: http://nwc.co/ you could get a delivery spot for cheap or free, and they are located in chinatown, not far from liberty. On Sep 19, 2011 2:54 PM, "Micah White" <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Can we get a real address that can take deliveries from UPS/Fedex/USPS/DHL? > Need a place with someone who will be there to sign for things, if > necessary. > > This would make it a lot easier for the internet to send supplies... > > Micah

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Report back from Labor Action this morning Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:18:17 PM

is there video anywhere? On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: Awesome! What did the disruption look like? On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: heart. This is the one percent, right there. --glj On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:03 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: > Sothebys Action Statement Labor Group > Posted on September 22, 2011 by Nyccamp > > This morning activists involved in #OCCUPYWALLSTREET disrupted an art > auction at Sothebys Art Auctions on the Upper East Side. Last year > Sothebys made profits of $680 Million Dollars. Their CEO Bill > Rupprecht awarded himself a 125% raise. At the same time Sothebys has > decided to use union busting tactics, demanding over 100 concessions > to the IBT 814 Art Handlers Union Contract. > > #OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters are appalled at the persistent attack on > workers rights. We support the right of the workers to collectively > bargain. Sothebys wants all new hires to have no collective > bargaining rights, no health benefits and no job security. After > locking out their unionized work force, Sothebys continues to operate > using scabs and a non-union subcontractor. Sothebys Art Auctions > epitomize the disconnect of the extremely wealthy from the rest of us. > Sothebys Art Auctions are a sanctuary for the financial elite; where > hedge fund managers & wealthy bankers bid millions of dollars for art > objects; while the rest of us struggle to put food on the table > because of their actions. These are the same financial elites who were > bailed out in their moment of need and now refuse to pay their fair > share in taxes. Many of these Hedge Fund Managers still pay a smaller > tax rate than the rest of us. That is our money! End the greed & > expose the disconnect! > > #OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters call on the 99% to raid the sanctuaries > of the financial elite; to conduct non-violent civil disobedience in > the country clubs, luxury shops, and private resorts where the > Financial Elite gather; and to show that WE WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE > BUSINESS AS USUAL. >
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Willie Osterweil september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Report back from Labor Action this morning Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:16:50 PM

Awesome! What did the disruption look like? On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: heart. This is the one percent, right there. --glj On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:03 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: > Sothebys Action Statement Labor Group > Posted on September 22, 2011 by Nyccamp > > This morning activists involved in #OCCUPYWALLSTREET disrupted an art > auction at Sothebys Art Auctions on the Upper East Side. Last year > Sothebys made profits of $680 Million Dollars. Their CEO Bill > Rupprecht awarded himself a 125% raise. At the same time Sothebys has > decided to use union busting tactics, demanding over 100 concessions > to the IBT 814 Art Handlers Union Contract. > > #OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters are appalled at the persistent attack on > workers rights. We support the right of the workers to collectively > bargain. Sothebys wants all new hires to have no collective > bargaining rights, no health benefits and no job security. After > locking out their unionized work force, Sothebys continues to operate > using scabs and a non-union subcontractor. Sothebys Art Auctions > epitomize the disconnect of the extremely wealthy from the rest of us. > Sothebys Art Auctions are a sanctuary for the financial elite; where > hedge fund managers & wealthy bankers bid millions of dollars for art > objects; while the rest of us struggle to put food on the table > because of their actions. These are the same financial elites who were > bailed out in their moment of need and now refuse to pay their fair > share in taxes. Many of these Hedge Fund Managers still pay a smaller > tax rate than the rest of us. That is our money! End the greed & > expose the disconnect! > > #OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters call on the 99% to raid the sanctuaries > of the financial elite; to conduct non-violent civil disobedience in > the country clubs, luxury shops, and private resorts where the > Financial Elite gather; and to show that WE WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE > BUSINESS AS USUAL. >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Report back from Labor Action this morning Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:32:47 PM

Yay! Did anyone masquerade as Bloomberg's lady friend? On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:17 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: is there video anywhere? On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: Awesome! What did the disruption look like? On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: heart. This is the one percent, right there. --glj On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:03 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: > Sothebys Action Statement Labor Group > Posted on September 22, 2011 by Nyccamp > > This morning activists involved in #OCCUPYWALLSTREET disrupted an art > auction at Sothebys Art Auctions on the Upper East Side. Last year > Sothebys made profits of $680 Million Dollars. Their CEO Bill > Rupprecht awarded himself a 125% raise. At the same time Sothebys has > decided to use union busting tactics, demanding over 100 concessions > to the IBT 814 Art Handlers Union Contract. > > #OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters are appalled at the persistent attack on > workers rights. We support the right of the workers to collectively > bargain. Sothebys wants all new hires to have no collective > bargaining rights, no health benefits and no job security. After > locking out their unionized work force, Sothebys continues to operate > using scabs and a non-union subcontractor. Sothebys Art Auctions > epitomize the disconnect of the extremely wealthy from the rest of us. > Sothebys Art Auctions are a sanctuary for the financial elite; where > hedge fund managers & wealthy bankers bid millions of dollars for art > objects; while the rest of us struggle to put food on the table > because of their actions. These are the same financial elites who were > bailed out in their moment of need and now refuse to pay their fair > share in taxes. Many of these Hedge Fund Managers still pay a smaller > tax rate than the rest of us. That is our money! End the greed & > expose the disconnect! >
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#OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters call on the 99% to raid the sanctuaries of the financial elite; to conduct non-violent civil disobedience in the country clubs, luxury shops, and private resorts where the Financial Elite gather; and to show that WE WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE BUSINESS AS USUAL.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gary Roland september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Report back from Labor Action this morning Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:59:46 PM

Waiting for video. Will post as soon as I have it, but we are already up on teamster nation http://teamsternation.blogspot.com/ in an article talking about our actions. Once we have the video we should start the twitter storm urging americans to start supporting #OCCUPYWALLSTREET by conducting actions in their city. 11 arrests in Seattle today. The message is spreading, and if we urge people to raid the sanctuaries of the financial elite, it will make the rich really uncomfortable. Much Love, ~GARY On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: Yay! Did anyone masquerade as Bloomberg's lady friend? On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:17 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: is there video anywhere? On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: Awesome! What did the disruption look like? On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: heart. This is the one percent, right there. --glj On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:03 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: > Sothebys Action Statement Labor Group > Posted on September 22, 2011 by Nyccamp > > This morning activists involved in #OCCUPYWALLSTREET disrupted an art > auction at Sothebys Art Auctions on the Upper East Side. Last year > Sothebys made profits of $680 Million Dollars. Their CEO Bill > Rupprecht awarded himself a 125% raise. At the same time Sothebys has > decided to use union busting tactics, demanding over 100 concessions > to the IBT 814 Art Handlers Union Contract. > > #OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters are appalled at the persistent attack on > workers rights. We support the right of the workers to collectively > bargain. Sothebys wants all new hires to have no collective
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bargaining rights, no health benefits and no job security. After locking out their unionized work force, Sothebys continues to operate using scabs and a non-union subcontractor. Sothebys Art Auctions epitomize the disconnect of the extremely wealthy from the rest of us. Sothebys Art Auctions are a sanctuary for the financial elite; where hedge fund managers & wealthy bankers bid millions of dollars for art objects; while the rest of us struggle to put food on the table because of their actions. These are the same financial elites who were bailed out in their moment of need and now refuse to pay their fair share in taxes. Many of these Hedge Fund Managers still pay a smaller tax rate than the rest of us. That is our money! End the greed & expose the disconnect! #OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters call on the 99% to raid the sanctuaries of the financial elite; to conduct non-violent civil disobedience in the country clubs, luxury shops, and private resorts where the Financial Elite gather; and to show that WE WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE BUSINESS AS USUAL.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Report back from Labor Action this morning Friday, September 23, 2011 1:08:54 PM

Well said! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: http://nycga.cc/2011/09/22/sothebys-action-statement/ On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:23 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: My climate zombie offer still stands. I could bring the masks and banner and we could go to outside David Koch's apartment on Park Ave. It always gets him riled up. picture here http://wonkette.com/426305/nasa-zombie-alliance-hosts-climate-changeapocalypse-rally On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: Waiting for video. Will post as soon as I have it, but we are already up on teamster nation http://teamsternation.blogspot.com/ in an article talking about our actions. Once we have the video we should start the twitter storm urging americans to start supporting #OCCUPYWALLSTREET by conducting actions in their city. 11 arrests in Seattle today. The message is spreading, and if we urge people to raid the sanctuaries of the financial elite, it will make the rich really uncomfortable. Much Love, ~GARY On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: Yay! Did anyone masquerade as Bloomberg's lady friend? On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:17 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: is there video anywhere? On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: Awesome! What did the disruption look like? On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Gabriel Johnson
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<gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: heart. This is the one percent, right there. --glj On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:03 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: > Sothebys Action Statement Labor Group > Posted on September 22, 2011 by Nyccamp > > This morning activists involved in #OCCUPYWALLSTREET disrupted an art > auction at Sothebys Art Auctions on the Upper East Side. Last year > Sothebys made profits of $680 Million Dollars. Their CEO Bill > Rupprecht awarded himself a 125% raise. At the same time Sothebys has > decided to use union busting tactics, demanding over 100 concessions > to the IBT 814 Art Handlers Union Contract. > > #OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters are appalled at the persistent attack on > workers rights. We support the right of the workers to collectively > bargain. Sothebys wants all new hires to have no collective > bargaining rights, no health benefits and no job security. After > locking out their unionized work force, Sothebys continues to operate > using scabs and a non-union subcontractor. Sothebys Art Auctions > epitomize the disconnect of the extremely wealthy from the rest of us. > Sothebys Art Auctions are a sanctuary for the financial elite; where > hedge fund managers & wealthy bankers bid millions of dollars for art > objects; while the rest of us struggle to put food on the table > because of their actions. These are the same financial elites who were > bailed out in their moment of need and now refuse to pay their fair > share in taxes. Many of these Hedge Fund Managers still pay a smaller > tax rate than the rest of us. That is our money! End the greed & > expose the disconnect! > > #OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters call on the 99% to raid the sanctuaries > of the financial elite; to conduct non-violent civil disobedience in > the country clubs, luxury shops, and private resorts where the > Financial Elite gather; and to show that WE WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE > BUSINESS AS USUAL. >

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Report back from Labor Action this morning Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:06:02 PM

heart. This is the one percent, right there. --glj On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:03 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: > Sothebys Action Statement Labor Group > Posted on September 22, 2011 by Nyccamp > > This morning activists involved in #OCCUPYWALLSTREET disrupted an art > auction at Sothebys Art Auctions on the Upper East Side. Last year > Sothebys made profits of $680 Million Dollars. Their CEO Bill > Rupprecht awarded himself a 125% raise. At the same time Sothebys has > decided to use union busting tactics, demanding over 100 concessions > to the IBT 814 Art Handlers Union Contract. > > #OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters are appalled at the persistent attack on > workers rights. We support the right of the workers to collectively > bargain. Sothebys wants all new hires to have no collective > bargaining rights, no health benefits and no job security. After > locking out their unionized work force, Sothebys continues to operate > using scabs and a non-union subcontractor. Sothebys Art Auctions > epitomize the disconnect of the extremely wealthy from the rest of us. > Sothebys Art Auctions are a sanctuary for the financial elite; where > hedge fund managers & wealthy bankers bid millions of dollars for art > objects; while the rest of us struggle to put food on the table > because of their actions. These are the same financial elites who were > bailed out in their moment of need and now refuse to pay their fair > share in taxes. Many of these Hedge Fund Managers still pay a smaller > tax rate than the rest of us. That is our money! End the greed & > expose the disconnect! > > #OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters call on the 99% to raid the sanctuaries > of the financial elite; to conduct non-violent civil disobedience in > the country clubs, luxury shops, and private resorts where the > Financial Elite gather; and to show that WE WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE > BUSINESS AS USUAL. >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marisa Holmes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rock promoter offering bands for saturday Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:57:12 PM

There's no way we're getting a permit, but they're welcome to come. Otherwise, they could wait until after the injunction. Marisa On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:17 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > A friend of mine who is a local rock promoter has a few bands he will offer > up to play for free on Saturday if there is a legal permitted space with a > stage... let me know. Luv and mucho besos to all of you incredible people > > On Sep 21, 2011 8:37 AM, "Harrison Schultz" <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: >> Report from Bill "Rad/Left" Csapo: >> >> Beautiful news from Vermont - Expect and prepare for reinforcements from >> Vermont. They are bringing in musicians in and they want to keep them >> constantly playing. We've had an offer from Tom Pvasilis he owns >> commercial >> type bakeries in NYC he has a 25,000 square foot kitchen, an anarchist >> collective of 250 volunteers, an air refrigerated truck to keep food, >> hot/cold, and allegedly a lot of cash he wants to donate to keeping the >> protesters at Liberty square fed. Tom McCoy, presumably of Vermont say's >> we're inspiring people all over the country to take action. >> >> We'll someone please relay this message to Chris on the food Committee and >> have him contact Bill "Rad/Left" Csapo ASAP!!! >> >> 423 650 1398 >> bill@occupywallst.org >> wcsapo@gmail.com >> >> I say we kick this up a notch comrades!!! >> >> Love and Rage, >> >> Harrison >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rock promoter offering bands for saturday Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:31:21 PM

Got it, gracias On Sep 21, 2011 3:57 PM, "Marisa Holmes" <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: > There's no way we're getting a permit, > but they're welcome to come. > Otherwise, they could wait until after the > injunction. > > Marisa > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:17 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> A friend of mine who is a local rock promoter has a few bands he will offer >> up to play for free on Saturday if there is a legal permitted space with a >> stage... let me know. Luv and mucho besos to all of you incredible people >> >> On Sep 21, 2011 8:37 AM, "Harrison Schultz" <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Report from Bill "Rad/Left" Csapo: >>> >>> Beautiful news from Vermont - Expect and prepare for reinforcements from >>> Vermont. They are bringing in musicians in and they want to keep them >>> constantly playing. We've had an offer from Tom Pvasilis he owns >>> commercial >>> type bakeries in NYC he has a 25,000 square foot kitchen, an anarchist >>> collective of 250 volunteers, an air refrigerated truck to keep food, >>> hot/cold, and allegedly a lot of cash he wants to donate to keeping the >>> protesters at Liberty square fed. Tom McCoy, presumably of Vermont say's >>> we're inspiring people all over the country to take action. >>> >>> We'll someone please relay this message to Chris on the food Committee and >>> have him contact Bill "Rad/Left" Csapo ASAP!!! >>> >>> 423 650 1398 >>> bill@occupywallst.org >>> wcsapo@gmail.com >>> >>> I say we kick this up a notch comrades!!! >>> >>> Love and Rage, >>> >>> Harrison >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rock promoter offering bands for saturday Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:49:59 PM

Awesome, but a permit, really? I guess it would be pretty funny to apply for a permit in a space we've already forced our way into and occupied!!! H. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:17 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: A friend of mine who is a local rock promoter has a few bands he will offer up to play for free on Saturday if there is a legal permitted space with a stage... let me know. Luv and mucho besos to all of you incredible people On Sep 21, 2011 8:37 AM, "Harrison Schultz" <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: > Report from Bill "Rad/Left" Csapo: > > Beautiful news from Vermont - Expect and prepare for reinforcements from > Vermont. They are bringing in musicians in and they want to keep them > constantly playing. We've had an offer from Tom Pvasilis he owns commercial > type bakeries in NYC he has a 25,000 square foot kitchen, an anarchist > collective of 250 volunteers, an air refrigerated truck to keep food, > hot/cold, and allegedly a lot of cash he wants to donate to keeping the > protesters at Liberty square fed. Tom McCoy, presumably of Vermont say's > we're inspiring people all over the country to take action. > > We'll someone please relay this message to Chris on the food Committee and > have him contact Bill "Rad/Left" Csapo ASAP!!! > > 423 650 1398 > bill@occupywallst.org > wcsapo@gmail.com > > I say we kick this up a notch comrades!!! > > Love and Rage, > > Harrison

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rosh Hashanah? Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:51:47 AM

I also say this as a non-religious person.... I'm not suggesting imposing a religious tradition upon the group; it's about providing a space within our occupation for those wishing to celebrate this holiday. If we want to have as many people as possible, we should provide opportunities for things that people would otherwise go elsewhere to. We're not the state and I have no desire to reflect it, so I don't think there's any obligation to avoid discussion and inclusion of religion at the occupation. Moreover, many secular Jews celebrate Rosh Hashanah as a cultural, not religious, tradition. Matt On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:15 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: If we provide vegan food we can be inclusive to religious tradition, it is the respectful thing to do... I say this as fierce athiest who has respect for all inclinations. On Sep 22, 2011 10:13 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Can't we keep religion out of this? The US democracy was based on a > separation of church and state. Isn't Occupy Wall Street a political > protest? I see endless complications once you open that door. > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:04 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think this is a terrific idea matthew, seconded >> On Sep 22, 2011 10:01 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Hey all, >> > In yet another effort to make the space more inclusive, perhaps some time >> > next week (Wednesday night through Friday) there could be some Rosh >> Hashanah >> > related things. I hate to ask the food committee to do anything since >> > they're already overwhelmed (and doing a fantastic job might I add!), but >> > maybe getting apples and honey is a possibility? I don't celebrate Rosh >> > Hashanah and am not Jewish, so I don't know a whole lot about what could >> > take place at the occupation, but just throwing it out there... >> > >> > Matt >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rosh Hashanah? Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:19:16 AM

I think we have to be really careful doing any kind of religious stuff. On the one hand, a lot of Jewish folks walk by our occupation every day and it'd be a cool way to get them to participate. On the other hand, there's not much really "Rosh Hashannah-y" stuff that we can do. Unless somebody knows a social justice-oriented Rabbi who wants to come out and preach to passers-by about why the occupation is so important. It would get folks to stop and reconsider their prejudices about who we are. Cool, Jon On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:13 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Can't we keep religion out of this? The US democracy was based on a separation of church and state. Isn't Occupy Wall Street a political protest? I see endless complications once you open that door. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:04 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I think this is a terrific idea matthew, seconded On Sep 22, 2011 10:01 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > In yet another effort to make the space more inclusive, perhaps some time > next week (Wednesday night through Friday) there could be some Rosh Hashanah > related things. I hate to ask the food committee to do anything since > they're already overwhelmed (and doing a fantastic job might I add!), but > maybe getting apples and honey is a possibility? I don't celebrate Rosh > Hashanah and am not Jewish, so I don't know a whole lot about what could > take place at the occupation, but just throwing it out there... > > Matt

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rosh Hashanah? Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:15:14 AM

If we provide vegan food we can be inclusive to religious tradition, it is the respectful thing to do... I say this as fierce athiest who has respect for all inclinations. On Sep 22, 2011 10:13 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Can't we keep religion out of this? The US democracy was based on a > separation of church and state. Isn't Occupy Wall Street a political > protest? I see endless complications once you open that door. > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:04 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think this is a terrific idea matthew, seconded >> On Sep 22, 2011 10:01 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Hey all, >> > In yet another effort to make the space more inclusive, perhaps some time >> > next week (Wednesday night through Friday) there could be some Rosh >> Hashanah >> > related things. I hate to ask the food committee to do anything since >> > they're already overwhelmed (and doing a fantastic job might I add!), but >> > maybe getting apples and honey is a possibility? I don't celebrate Rosh >> > Hashanah and am not Jewish, so I don't know a whole lot about what could >> > take place at the occupation, but just throwing it out there... >> > >> > Matt >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rosh Hashanah? Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:13:36 AM

Can't we keep religion out of this? The US democracy was based on a separation of church and state. Isn't Occupy Wall Street a political protest? I see endless complications once you open that door. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:04 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I think this is a terrific idea matthew, seconded On Sep 22, 2011 10:01 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > In yet another effort to make the space more inclusive, perhaps some time > next week (Wednesday night through Friday) there could be some Rosh Hashanah > related things. I hate to ask the food committee to do anything since > they're already overwhelmed (and doing a fantastic job might I add!), but > maybe getting apples and honey is a possibility? I don't celebrate Rosh > Hashanah and am not Jewish, so I don't know a whole lot about what could > take place at the occupation, but just throwing it out there... > > Matt

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rosh Hashanah? Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:04:09 AM

I think this is a terrific idea matthew, seconded On Sep 22, 2011 10:01 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > In yet another effort to make the space more inclusive, perhaps some time > next week (Wednesday night through Friday) there could be some Rosh Hashanah > related things. I hate to ask the food committee to do anything since > they're already overwhelmed (and doing a fantastic job might I add!), but > maybe getting apples and honey is a possibility? I don't celebrate Rosh > Hashanah and am not Jewish, so I don't know a whole lot about what could > take place at the occupation, but just throwing it out there... > > Matt

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rosh Hashanah? Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:04:16 PM

There's nothing to stop people from celebrating anything they want. The question is whether it should be a policy of the group to provide for a religious ritual. Once you do that for one sect, you become open to criticism if you don't do it for others. It can become a headache, or worse, and it is unnecessary. I'll shut up now. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:19 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah to ignore the jewish high holiday season in nyc would be like trying to ignore new years eve or 4th of july... we don't want to be cold and without joy do we? On Sep 22, 2011 10:51 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > I also say this as a non-religious person.... I'm not suggesting imposing a > religious tradition upon the group; it's about providing a space within our > occupation for those wishing to celebrate this holiday. If we want to have > as many people as possible, we should provide opportunities for things that > people would otherwise go elsewhere to. We're not the state and I have no > desire to reflect it, so I don't think there's any obligation to avoid > discussion and inclusion of religion at the occupation. Moreover, many > secular Jews celebrate Rosh Hashanah as a cultural, not religious, > tradition. > > Matt > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:15 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If we provide vegan food we can be inclusive to religious tradition, it is >> the respectful thing to do... I say this as fierce athiest who has respect >> for all inclinations. >> On Sep 22, 2011 10:13 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Can't we keep religion out of this? The US democracy was based on a >> > separation of church and state. Isn't Occupy Wall Street a political >> > protest? I see endless complications once you open that door. >> > >> > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:04 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> I think this is a terrific idea matthew, seconded >> >> On Sep 22, 2011 10:01 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Hey all, >> >> > In yet another effort to make the space more inclusive, perhaps some >> time >> >> > next week (Wednesday night through Friday) there could be some Rosh
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>> Hashanah >> > related things. I hate to ask the food committee to do anything since >> > they're already overwhelmed (and doing a fantastic job might I add!), but >> > maybe getting apples and honey is a possibility? I don't celebrate Rosh >> > Hashanah and am not Jewish, so I don't know a whole lot about what could >> > take place at the occupation, but just throwing it out there... >> > >> > Matt >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Willie Osterweil september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rosh Hashanah? Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:17:46 PM

I agree with Gail. It is a liberated space: anyone can do anything they like. But when organizers begin officially endorsing certain actions... On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:04 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: There's nothing to stop people from celebrating anything they want. The question is whether it should be a policy of the group to provide for a religious ritual. Once you do that for one sect, you become open to criticism if you don't do it for others. It can become a headache, or worse, and it is unnecessary. I'll shut up now. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:19 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah to ignore the jewish high holiday season in nyc would be like trying to ignore new years eve or 4th of july... we don't want to be cold and without joy do we? On Sep 22, 2011 10:51 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > I also say this as a non-religious person.... I'm not suggesting imposing a > religious tradition upon the group; it's about providing a space within our > occupation for those wishing to celebrate this holiday. If we want to have > as many people as possible, we should provide opportunities for things that > people would otherwise go elsewhere to. We're not the state and I have no > desire to reflect it, so I don't think there's any obligation to avoid > discussion and inclusion of religion at the occupation. Moreover, many > secular Jews celebrate Rosh Hashanah as a cultural, not religious, > tradition. > > Matt > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:15 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If we provide vegan food we can be inclusive to religious tradition, it is >> the respectful thing to do... I say this as fierce athiest who has respect >> for all inclinations. >> On Sep 22, 2011 10:13 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Can't we keep religion out of this? The US democracy was based on a >> > separation of church and state. Isn't Occupy Wall Street a political >> > protest? I see endless complications once you open that door. >> > >> > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:04 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> I think this is a terrific idea matthew, seconded >> >> On Sep 22, 2011 10:01 AM, "Matthew Presto"
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<matthew.presto@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Hey all, >> >> > In yet another effort to make the space more inclusive, perhaps some >> time >> >> > next week (Wednesday night through Friday) there could be some Rosh >> >> Hashanah >> >> > related things. I hate to ask the food committee to do anything since >> >> > they're already overwhelmed (and doing a fantastic job might I add!), >> but >> >> > maybe getting apples and honey is a possibility? I don't celebrate >> Rosh >> >> > Hashanah and am not Jewish, so I don't know a whole lot about what >> could >> >> > take place at the occupation, but just throwing it out there... >> >> > >> >> > Matt >> >> >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rosh Hashanah? Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:19:17 AM

Yeah to ignore the jewish high holiday season in nyc would be like trying to ignore new years eve or 4th of july... we don't want to be cold and without joy do we? On Sep 22, 2011 10:51 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > I also say this as a non-religious person.... I'm not suggesting imposing a > religious tradition upon the group; it's about providing a space within our > occupation for those wishing to celebrate this holiday. If we want to have > as many people as possible, we should provide opportunities for things that > people would otherwise go elsewhere to. We're not the state and I have no > desire to reflect it, so I don't think there's any obligation to avoid > discussion and inclusion of religion at the occupation. Moreover, many > secular Jews celebrate Rosh Hashanah as a cultural, not religious, > tradition. > > Matt > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:15 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If we provide vegan food we can be inclusive to religious tradition, it is >> the respectful thing to do... I say this as fierce athiest who has respect >> for all inclinations. >> On Sep 22, 2011 10:13 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Can't we keep religion out of this? The US democracy was based on a >> > separation of church and state. Isn't Occupy Wall Street a political >> > protest? I see endless complications once you open that door. >> > >> > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:04 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> I think this is a terrific idea matthew, seconded >> >> On Sep 22, 2011 10:01 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Hey all, >> >> > In yet another effort to make the space more inclusive, perhaps some >> time >> >> > next week (Wednesday night through Friday) there could be some Rosh >> >> Hashanah >> >> > related things. I hate to ask the food committee to do anything since >> >> > they're already overwhelmed (and doing a fantastic job might I add!), >> but >> >> > maybe getting apples and honey is a possibility? I don't celebrate >> Rosh >> >> > Hashanah and am not Jewish, so I don't know a whole lot about what >> could >> >> > take place at the occupation, but just throwing it out there...
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:03:37 AM

If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery Park? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:02:31 PM

Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the plaza. I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the longterm revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world needs to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise everyone is going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term demands, but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave the plaza. "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a powerful statement. Micah

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. We need to do outreach to whoever possible. Also, we will be getting a report today from the legal team. Come to the 1pm General Assembly. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity with > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be more > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the event > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more noted > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical presence. > > Just my two cents. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall
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>> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery >>>>> Park? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>>> >>> >> > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:12:26 PM

+10 on the need for demands It doesn't need to be 1 demand, and it doesn't need to have an ultimatum attached to it (we won't leave until...), which I think is problematic because in reality we will leave when our numbers dwindle, not when Obama passes our demand, which might be months or years from now or never. What's essential is that it be a short, simple list of demands that would represent real improvements in the country's economy. Also, the small number of people gathered in Zucotti Park is not enough to force reform from politicians - we are a seed, not the tree, so acting as though we have the power to do this on our own is misleading both to ourselves and to those watching us. Doug On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the plaza. I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the longterm revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world needs to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise everyone is going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term demands, but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave the plaza. "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a powerful statement. Micah

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. We need to do outreach to whoever possible. Also, we will be getting a report today from the legal team. Come to the 1pm General Assembly. Marisa

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On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity with > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be more > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the event > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more noted > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical presence. > > Just my two cents. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery >>>>> Park? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around
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7am >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>>> >>> >> > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of flux@fluxview.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:08:06 PM

"WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a powerful statement. Solidarity, ~ FluxRostrum Current Project http://MobileBroadcastNews.com Home Base http://Fluxview.com Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: > Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the > plaza. > > I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of > demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. > > In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the > long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee > formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world needs > to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise everyone is > going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term demands, > but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave the > plaza. > > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a > powerful statement. > > > Micah > > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >> legal team. >> Come to the 1pm General Assembly.
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>> >> Marisa >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity with >> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be >> more >> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the >> event >> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more noted >> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our >> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical presence. >> > >> > Just my two cents. >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall >> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It >> would be >> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment >> if >> >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < >> disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is >> central >> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway >> will >> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >> >>> >> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if >> was >> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by >> the >> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon >> as >> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com>
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>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or >> Battery >> >>>>> Park? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around >> 7am >> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marisa Holmes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:15:12 PM

We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a > powerful statement. > > Solidarity, > ~ FluxRostrum > > Current Project > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com > > Home Base > http://Fluxview.com > > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: > >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> plaza. >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world needs >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise everyone >> is >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term demands, >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave >> the >> plaza. >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is >> a >> powerful statement. >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible.

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Also, we will be getting a report today from the legal team. Come to the 1pm General Assembly. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity > with > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be more > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the event > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more > noted > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical > presence. > > Just my two cents. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >> Wall >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >> encampment if >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >>> Broadway will >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined >>>> by the >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >>>> soon as >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location.

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>>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery >>>>> Park? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>>> >>> >> > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Mellow Yellow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:18:51 PM

WE DEMAND THE RIGHT TO FREELY AND PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE IN PUBLIC TO REDRESS OUR GRIEVENCES. Or is that too constitutional? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a > powerful statement. > > Solidarity, > ~ FluxRostrum > > Current Project > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com > > Home Base > http://Fluxview.com > > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: > >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> plaza. >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world needs >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise everyone >> is >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term demands, >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave >> the >> plaza. >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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that is >> a >> powerful statement. >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >>> legal team. >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >>> > with >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be >>> more >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the >>> event >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more >>> > noted >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical >>> > presence. >>> > >>> > Just my two cents. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >>> >> Wall >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It >>> would be >>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >>> >> encampment >>> if >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >>> >>
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>>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is >>> central >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >>> >>> Broadway >>> will >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if >>> was >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined >>> >>>> by >>> the >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >>> >>>> soon >>> as >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or >>> Battery >>> >>>>> Park? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around >>> 7am >>> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:24:48 PM

OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot understand WHY to occupywallstreet. Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy, then the assembly must be able to set demands. Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that will inspire the nation. We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands. Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how to improve things. Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the nation. Micah On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a > powerful statement. > > Solidarity, > ~ FluxRostrum > > Current Project > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com > > Home Base > http://Fluxview.com
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> > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: > >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> plaza. >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world needs >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise everyone >> is >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term demands, >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave >> the >> plaza. >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -that is >> a >> powerful statement. >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >>> legal team. >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >>> > with >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be >>> more >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the >>> event >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more >>> > noted
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>>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical >>> > presence. >>> > >>> > Just my two cents. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >>> >> Wall >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It >>> would be >>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >>> >> encampment >>> if >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is >>> central >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >>> >>> Broadway >>> will >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if >>> was >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined >>> >>>> by >>> the >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >>> >>>> soon >>> as >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or
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>>> Battery >>> >>>>> Park? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around >>> 7am >>> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:24:15 PM

but what are the grievances??? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: WE DEMAND THE RIGHT TO FREELY AND PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE IN PUBLIC TO REDRESS OUR GRIEVENCES. Or is that too constitutional?

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a > powerful statement. > > Solidarity, > ~ FluxRostrum > > Current Project > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com > > Home Base > http://Fluxview.com > > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: > >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> plaza. >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world needs >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise everyone >> is >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term demands,
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>> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave >> the >> plaza. >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" - that is >> a >> powerful statement. >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >>> legal team. >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >>> > with >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be >>> more >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the >>> event >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more >>> > noted >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical >>> > presence. >>> > >>> > Just my two cents. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >>> >> Wall >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It >>> would be
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>>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >>> >> encampment >>> if >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is >>> central >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >>> >>> Broadway >>> will >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if >>> was >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined >>> >>>> by >>> the >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >>> >>>> soon >>> as >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or >>> Battery >>> >>>>> Park? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around >>> 7am >>> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marisa Holmes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:33:57 PM

We are not a union in the collective bargaining sense. This isn't just about grievances. Its about alternatives. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: > +million, yes. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And >> Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there >> was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot >> understand WHY to occupywallstreet. >> >> Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the >> assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy, >> then the assembly must be able to set demands. >> >> Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's >> assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount >> to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that >> will inspire the nation. >> >> We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive >> moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands. >> >> Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how >> to improve things. >> >> Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it >> immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will >> debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the >> nation. >> >> Micah >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process >>> of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. >>> Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: >>> > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt >>> > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a >>> > powerful statement. >>> > >>> > Solidarity,

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> ~ FluxRostrum > > Current Project > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com > > Home Base > http://Fluxview.com > > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: > >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> plaza. >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world >> needs >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise >> everyone >> is >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term >> demands, >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you >> leave >> the >> plaza. >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that >> is >> a >> powerful statement. >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >>> legal team. >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow >>> <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >>> > with >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might >>> > be >>> more

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> ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in > the event > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more > noted > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. > Our > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical > presence. > > Just my two cents. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen > <dougsingsen@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >> Wall >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >> encampment if >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >>> Broadway will >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that >>>> if was >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be >>>> determined >>>> by the >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >>>> soon as >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery >>>>> Park?

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>>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza >>>>>> around 7am >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>>> >>> >> > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:32:34 PM

+million, yes. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And > Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there > was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot > understand WHY to occupywallstreet. > > Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the > assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy, > then the assembly must be able to set demands. > > Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's > assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount > to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that > will inspire the nation. > > We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive > moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands. > > Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how > to improve things. > > Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it > immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will > debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the > nation. > > Micah > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process >> of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. >> Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. >> >> Marisa >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: >> > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt >> > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a >> > powerful statement. >> > >> > Solidarity, >> > ~ FluxRostrum >> > >> > Current Project >> > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com >> > >> > Home Base >> > http://Fluxview.com >> >

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> Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: > >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> plaza. >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world >> needs >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise >> everyone >> is >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term >> demands, >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you >> leave >> the >> plaza. >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that >> is >> a >> powerful statement. >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >>> legal team. >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow >>> <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >>> > with >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might >>> > be >>> more >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in >>> > the >>> event >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more >>> > noted >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. >>> > Our >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical

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> presence. > > Just my two cents. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen > <dougsingsen@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >> Wall >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >> encampment if >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >>> Broadway will >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that >>>> if was >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be >>>> determined >>>> by the >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >>>> soon as >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery >>>>> Park? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza >>>>>> around 7am >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:38:24 PM

I agree with Micah about why we need demands, but let's try and keep some perspective on what the size and significance of this encampment is. "The world is waiting to hear your demands." Yes, we are getting a lot of media coverage, but let's not kid ourselves that this is truly a "decisive moment" on a global scale, or that Obama is somehow going to feel the need to personally respond to this (he won't). We are too small for that! In order to grow this movement, when this ends, we are going to need to go back to our jobs, neighborhoods and schools and begin building a lasting movement. This is (with all due respect to Micah) what was missing from the initial Adbusters call, which was insanely over-optimistic about how many people this could turn out. Adbusters called for 20k on Wall St - we got under 1k at the peak. Luis from Democracia Real Ya, who has been participating in the encampment, has been pointing out how much on-the-ground work went into preparing for Puerta del Sol. We need to be doing the same thing on a daily basis over the long term in order to make a real mass movement possible - and one is imminently possible, but it will take sustained organizing on the ground. Doug On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot understand WHY to occupywallstreet. Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy, then the assembly must be able to set demands. Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that will inspire the nation. We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands. Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how to improve things. Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the nation. Micah On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>
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wrote: We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a > powerful statement. > > Solidarity, > ~ FluxRostrum > > Current Project > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com > > Home Base > http://Fluxview.com > > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: > >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> plaza. >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world needs >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise everyone >> is >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term demands, >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave >> the >> plaza. >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" - that is >> a >> powerful statement. >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote:
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>> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >>> legal team. >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >>> > with >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be >>> more >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the >>> event >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more >>> > noted >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical >>> > presence. >>> > >>> > Just my two cents. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >>> >> Wall >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It >>> would be >>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >>> >> encampment >>> if >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is >>> central >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >>> >>> Broadway >>> will >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can
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>>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if >>> was >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined >>> >>>> by >>> the >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >>> >>>> soon >>> as >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or >>> Battery >>> >>>>> Park? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around >>> 7am >>> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Mellow Yellow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:11:49 AM

I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will frustrate Police efforts to follow. See you oguys there as soon as I can On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery Park? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:39:18 PM

you don't have to be a union to have demands. (what an absurd idea!) the civil rights movement, feminist movement, gay liberation movement, all had demands. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We are not a union in the collective bargaining sense. This isn't just about grievances. Its about alternatives. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: > +million, yes. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And >> Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there >> was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot >> understand WHY to occupywallstreet. >> >> Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the >> assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy, >> then the assembly must be able to set demands. >> >> Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's >> assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount >> to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that >> will inspire the nation. >> >> We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive >> moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands. >> >> Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how >> to improve things. >> >> Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it >> immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will >> debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the >> nation. >> >> Micah >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> >> wrote:
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>>> >>> We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process >>> of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. >>> Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: >>> > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt >>> > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a >>> > powerful statement. >>> > >>> > Solidarity, >>> > ~ FluxRostrum >>> > >>> > Current Project >>> > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com >>> > >>> > Home Base >>> > http://Fluxview.com >>> > >>> > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: >>> > >>> >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >>> >> plaza. >>> >> >>> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >>> >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >>> >> >>> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >>> >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >>> >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world >>> >> needs >>> >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise >>> >> everyone >>> >> is >>> >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term >>> >> demands, >>> >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you >>> >> leave >>> >> the >>> >> plaza. >>> >> >>> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that >>> >> is >>> >> a >>> >> powerful statement. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Micah
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>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >>> >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >>> >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >>> >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >>> >>> legal team. >>> >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >>> >>> >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow >>> >>> <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >>> >>> > with >>> >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might >>> >>> > be >>> >>> more >>> >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in >>> >>> > the >>> >>> event >>> >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more >>> >>> > noted >>> >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. >>> >>> > Our >>> >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical >>> >>> > presence. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Just my two cents. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen >>> >>> > <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >>> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >>> >>> >> Wall >>> >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It >>> >>> would be >>> >>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >>> >>> >> encampment >>> >>> if >>> >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < >>> >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> >>> >> wrote:
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>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is >>> >>> central >>> >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >>> >>> >>> Broadway >>> >>> will >>> >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that >>> >>> >>>> if >>> >>> was >>> >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be >>> >>> >>>> determined >>> >>> >>>> by >>> >>> the >>> >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >>> >>> >>>> soon >>> >>> as >>> >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or >>> >>> Battery >>> >>> >>>>> Park? >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> >>> >>> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza >>> >>> >>>>>> around >>> >>> 7am >>> >>> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:43:51 PM

and marisa, aren't you kind of "speaking for the GA" here? as far as I know, we never reached a decision on whether or not to have demands (unless that happened yesterday or some other time that I don't know about). this is an issue that should be discussed and decided democratically. I'm making an argument about we should do - it seems like you're trying to make a final statement about what the GA is or isn't that hasn't been democratically decided. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We are not a union in the collective bargaining sense. This isn't just about grievances. Its about alternatives. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: > +million, yes. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And >> Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there >> was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot >> understand WHY to occupywallstreet. >> >> Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the >> assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy, >> then the assembly must be able to set demands. >> >> Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's >> assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount >> to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that >> will inspire the nation. >> >> We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive >> moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands. >> >> Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how >> to improve things. >> >> Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it >> immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will >> debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the >> nation. >> >> Micah
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>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process >>> of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. >>> Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: >>> > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt >>> > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a >>> > powerful statement. >>> > >>> > Solidarity, >>> > ~ FluxRostrum >>> > >>> > Current Project >>> > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com >>> > >>> > Home Base >>> > http://Fluxview.com >>> > >>> > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: >>> > >>> >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >>> >> plaza. >>> >> >>> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >>> >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >>> >> >>> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >>> >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >>> >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world >>> >> needs >>> >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise >>> >> everyone >>> >> is >>> >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term >>> >> demands, >>> >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you >>> >> leave >>> >> the >>> >> plaza. >>> >> >>> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that >>> >> is >>> >> a
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>>> >> powerful statement. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Micah >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >>> >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >>> >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >>> >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >>> >>> legal team. >>> >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >>> >>> >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow >>> >>> <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >>> >>> > with >>> >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might >>> >>> > be >>> >>> more >>> >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in >>> >>> > the >>> >>> event >>> >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more >>> >>> > noted >>> >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. >>> >>> > Our >>> >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical >>> >>> > presence. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Just my two cents. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen >>> >>> > <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >>> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >>> >>> >> Wall >>> >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It >>> >>> would be >>> >>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >>> >>> >> encampment >>> >>> if >>> >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St.
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>>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < >>> >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is >>> >>> central >>> >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >>> >>> >>> Broadway >>> >>> will >>> >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that >>> >>> >>>> if >>> >>> was >>> >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be >>> >>> >>>> determined >>> >>> >>>> by >>> >>> the >>> >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >>> >>> >>>> soon >>> >>> as >>> >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or >>> >>> Battery >>> >>> >>>>> Park? >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> >>> >>> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza >>> >>> >>>>>> around >>> >>> 7am >>> >>> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Will Canine september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:43:42 PM

due respect to everyone on this email, but you dont get to make this decision. the general assembly (wich includes all of you, and a lot of others as well) does. any attempt from this email group to craft a set of demands or whatever would be disingenuous at best.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I agree with Micah about why we need demands, but let's try and keep some perspective on what the size and significance of this encampment is. "The world is waiting to hear your demands." Yes, we are getting a lot of media coverage, but let's not kid ourselves that this is truly a "decisive moment" on a global scale, or that Obama is somehow going to feel the need to personally respond to this (he won't). We are too small for that! In order to grow this movement, when this ends, we are going to need to go back to our jobs, neighborhoods and schools and begin building a lasting movement. This is (with all due respect to Micah) what was missing from the initial Adbusters call, which was insanely over-optimistic about how many people this could turn out. Adbusters called for 20k on Wall St - we got under 1k at the peak. Luis from Democracia Real Ya, who has been participating in the encampment, has been pointing out how much on-the-ground work went into preparing for Puerta del Sol. We need to be doing the same thing on a daily basis over the long term in order to make a real mass movement possible - and one is imminently possible, but it will take sustained organizing on the ground. Doug On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot understand WHY to occupywallstreet. Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy, then the assembly must be able to set demands. Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that will inspire the nation. We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands.
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Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how to improve things. Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the nation. Micah On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a > powerful statement. > > Solidarity, > ~ FluxRostrum > > Current Project > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com > > Home Base > http://Fluxview.com > > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: > >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> plaza. >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world needs >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise everyone >> is >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term demands, >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave
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>> the >> plaza. >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is >> a >> powerful statement. >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >>> legal team. >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >>> > with >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be >>> more >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the >>> event >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more >>> > noted >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical >>> > presence. >>> > >>> > Just my two cents. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >>> >> Wall >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It >>> would be
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>>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >>> >> encampment >>> if >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is >>> central >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >>> >>> Broadway >>> will >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if >>> was >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined >>> >>>> by >>> the >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >>> >>>> soon >>> as >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or >>> Battery >>> >>>>> Park? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around >>> 7am >>> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>
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>>> > >>> > >>> >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:46:12 PM

no one is doing that. just having a discussion. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Will Canine <willcanine@gmail.com> wrote: due respect to everyone on this email, but you dont get to make this decision. the general assembly (wich includes all of you, and a lot of others as well) does. any attempt from this email group to craft a set of demands or whatever would be disingenuous at best.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I agree with Micah about why we need demands, but let's try and keep some perspective on what the size and significance of this encampment is. "The world is waiting to hear your demands." Yes, we are getting a lot of media coverage, but let's not kid ourselves that this is truly a "decisive moment" on a global scale, or that Obama is somehow going to feel the need to personally respond to this (he won't). We are too small for that! In order to grow this movement, when this ends, we are going to need to go back to our jobs, neighborhoods and schools and begin building a lasting movement. This is (with all due respect to Micah) what was missing from the initial Adbusters call, which was insanely over-optimistic about how many people this could turn out. Adbusters called for 20k on Wall St - we got under 1k at the peak. Luis from Democracia Real Ya, who has been participating in the encampment, has been pointing out how much on-the-ground work went into preparing for Puerta del Sol. We need to be doing the same thing on a daily basis over the long term in order to make a real mass movement possible - and one is imminently possible, but it will take sustained organizing on the ground. Doug On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot understand WHY to occupywallstreet. Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy, then the assembly must be able to set demands. Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that will inspire the nation.
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We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands. Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how to improve things. Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the nation. Micah On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a > powerful statement. > > Solidarity, > ~ FluxRostrum > > Current Project > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com > > Home Base > http://Fluxview.com > > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: > >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> plaza. >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world needs >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise everyone >> is
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>> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term demands, >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave >> the >> plaza. >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is >> a >> powerful statement. >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >>> legal team. >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >>> > with >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be >>> more >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the >>> event >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more >>> > noted >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical >>> > presence. >>> > >>> > Just my two cents. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> >>
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>>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >>> >> Wall >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It >>> would be >>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >>> >> encampment >>> if >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is >>> central >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >>> >>> Broadway >>> will >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if >>> was >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined >>> >>>> by >>> the >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >>> >>>> soon >>> as >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or >>> Battery >>> >>>>> Park? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around >>> 7am
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>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

>>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>>> >>> >> > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marisa Holmes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:49:58 PM

I agree that we need a WHY but that doesn't have to take the form of demands. Assemblies decide on much more than demands. They are a prefigurative model for a new society. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And > Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there > was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot > understand WHY to occupywallstreet. > > Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the > assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy, > then the assembly must be able to set demands. > > Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's > assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount > to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that > will inspire the nation. > > We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive > moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands. > > Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how > to improve things. > > Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it > immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will > debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the > nation. > > Micah > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process >> of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. >> Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. >> >> Marisa >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: >> > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt >> > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a >> > powerful statement. >> > >> > Solidarity, >> > ~ FluxRostrum >> > >> > Current Project >> > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com

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> > Home Base > http://Fluxview.com > > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: > >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> plaza. >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world >> needs >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise >> everyone >> is >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term >> demands, >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you >> leave >> the >> plaza. >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that >> is >> a >> powerful statement. >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >>> legal team. >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow >>> <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >>> > with >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might >>> > be >>> more >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in >>> > the >>> event >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more

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> noted > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. > Our > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical > presence. > > Just my two cents. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen > <dougsingsen@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >> Wall >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >> encampment if >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >>> Broadway will >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that >>>> if was >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be >>>> determined >>>> by the >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >>>> soon as >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery >>>>> Park? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>

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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

>>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza >>>>>> around 7am >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>>> >>> >> > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:55:41 PM

@Will - one shouldn't discourage discussion outside of the GA, you wouldn't come to a group sitting in the square speaking about what our demand should be and call them disingenuous. I personally think that small groups should come up with demands and that we should then bring that to the GA. All of my respect, Drew On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Will Canine <willcanine@gmail.com> wrote: due respect to everyone on this email, but you dont get to make this decision. the general assembly (wich includes all of you, and a lot of others as well) does. any attempt from this email group to craft a set of demands or whatever would be disingenuous at best.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I agree with Micah about why we need demands, but let's try and keep some perspective on what the size and significance of this encampment is. "The world is waiting to hear your demands." Yes, we are getting a lot of media coverage, but let's not kid ourselves that this is truly a "decisive moment" on a global scale, or that Obama is somehow going to feel the need to personally respond to this (he won't). We are too small for that! In order to grow this movement, when this ends, we are going to need to go back to our jobs, neighborhoods and schools and begin building a lasting movement. This is (with all due respect to Micah) what was missing from the initial Adbusters call, which was insanely over-optimistic about how many people this could turn out. Adbusters called for 20k on Wall St - we got under 1k at the peak. Luis from Democracia Real Ya, who has been participating in the encampment, has been pointing out how much on-the-ground work went into preparing for Puerta del Sol. We need to be doing the same thing on a daily basis over the long term in order to make a real mass movement possible - and one is imminently possible, but it will take sustained organizing on the ground. Doug On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot understand WHY to occupywallstreet.

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Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy, then the assembly must be able to set demands. Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that will inspire the nation. We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands. Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how to improve things. Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the nation. Micah On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a > powerful statement. > > Solidarity, > ~ FluxRostrum > > Current Project > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com > > Home Base > http://Fluxview.com > > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: > >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> plaza. >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >>
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>> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world needs >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise everyone >> is >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term demands, >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave >> the >> plaza. >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is >> a >> powerful statement. >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >>> legal team. >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >>> > with >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be >>> more >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the >>> event >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more >>> > noted >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical >>> > presence.
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>>> > >>> > Just my two cents. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >>> >> Wall >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It >>> would be >>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >>> >> encampment >>> if >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is >>> central >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >>> >>> Broadway >>> will >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if >>> was >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined >>> >>>> by >>> the >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >>> >>>> soon >>> as >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or >>> Battery
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>>> >>>>> Park? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around >>> 7am >>> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:02:54 PM

that's one interpretation. you're projecting your own view onto the GA and stating it as fact. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: I agree that we need a WHY but that doesn't have to take the form of demands. Assemblies decide on much more than demands. They are a prefigurative model for a new society. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And > Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there > was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot > understand WHY to occupywallstreet. > > Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the > assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy, > then the assembly must be able to set demands. > > Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's > assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount > to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that > will inspire the nation. > > We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive > moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands. > > Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how > to improve things. > > Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it > immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will > debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the > nation. > > Micah > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process >> of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. >> Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. >>
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>> Marisa >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: >> > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt >> > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a >> > powerful statement. >> > >> > Solidarity, >> > ~ FluxRostrum >> > >> > Current Project >> > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com >> > >> > Home Base >> > http://Fluxview.com >> > >> > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: >> > >> >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> >> plaza. >> >> >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >> >> >> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world >> >> needs >> >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise >> >> everyone >> >> is >> >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term >> >> demands, >> >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you >> >> leave >> >> the >> >> plaza. >> >> >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that >> >> is >> >> a >> >> powerful statement. >> >> >> >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes
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>> >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >> >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >> >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >> >>> legal team. >> >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >> >>> >> >>> Marisa >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow >> >>> <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >> >>> > with >> >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might >> >>> > be >> >>> more >> >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in >> >>> > the >> >>> event >> >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more >> >>> > noted >> >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. >> >>> > Our >> >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical >> >>> > presence. >> >>> > >> >>> > Just my two cents. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen >> >>> > <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >> >>> >> Wall >> >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It >> >>> would be >> >>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >> >>> >> encampment >> >>> if >> >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < >> >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is >> >>> central >> >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >> >>> >>> Broadway
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>> >>> will >> >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >> >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that >> >>> >>>> if >> >>> was >> >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be >> >>> >>>> determined >> >>> >>>> by >> >>> the >> >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >> >>> >>>> soon >> >>> as >> >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or >> >>> Battery >> >>> >>>>> Park? >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> >> >>> >>>>> wrote: >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza >> >>> >>>>>> around >> >>> 7am >> >>> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:50:30 PM

The posters and chants have several excellent demands explicitly stated, which could be distilled to one: Get the corporate money out of politics. Everything else would follow - health care, holding industrial polluters accountable, fair taxation, etc. It's the corporate money that is poisoning the discourse. We don't live in a democracy anymore. Corporations own the media, all we get is propaganda. Legislators don't represent their electorate, they are owned by lobbyists. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: that's one interpretation. you're projecting your own view onto the GA and stating it as fact. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: I agree that we need a WHY but that doesn't have to take the form of demands. Assemblies decide on much more than demands. They are a prefigurative model for a new society. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And > Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there > was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot > understand WHY to occupywallstreet. > > Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the > assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy, > then the assembly must be able to set demands. > > Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's > assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount > to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that > will inspire the nation. > > We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive > moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands. > > Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how > to improve things. >
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> Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it > immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will > debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the > nation. > > Micah > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process >> of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. >> Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. >> >> Marisa >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: >> > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt >> > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a >> > powerful statement. >> > >> > Solidarity, >> > ~ FluxRostrum >> > >> > Current Project >> > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com >> > >> > Home Base >> > http://Fluxview.com >> > >> > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: >> > >> >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> >> plaza. >> >> >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >> >> >> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world >> >> needs >> >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise >> >> everyone >> >> is >> >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term >> >> demands, >> >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you >> >> leave
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>> >> the >> >> plaza. >> >> >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that >> >> is >> >> a >> >> powerful statement. >> >> >> >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >> >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >> >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >> >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >> >>> legal team. >> >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >> >>> >> >>> Marisa >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow >> >>> <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >> >>> > with >> >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might >> >>> > be >> >>> more >> >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in >> >>> > the >> >>> event >> >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more >> >>> > noted >> >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. >> >>> > Our >> >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical >> >>> > presence. >> >>> > >> >>> > Just my two cents. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen >> >>> > <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target
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>> >>> >> Wall >> >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It >> >>> would be >> >>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >> >>> >> encampment >> >>> if >> >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < >> >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is >> >>> central >> >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >> >>> >>> Broadway >> >>> will >> >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >> >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that >> >>> >>>> if >> >>> was >> >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be >> >>> >>>> determined >> >>> >>>> by >> >>> the >> >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >> >>> >>>> soon >> >>> as >> >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or >> >>> Battery >> >>> >>>>> Park? >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> >> >>> >>>>> wrote: >> >>> >>>>>>
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>> >>> plaza >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >

>>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty >>>>>> around 7am >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>>> >>> >> > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:54:52 PM

Perhaps it is of some value to distill everything down not quite to one somewhat abstract demand like Money Out Of Politics but to a few specific ones -- ending the doctrine of corporate personhood, reversing the effects of the Citizens United ruling, ending the consideration of political donation as an area protected by free speech rights, publicly financed elections, &c. Sorry I can't be there to propose these things; just thinking like a political strategist. In solidarity, JAM On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:50 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: The posters and chants have several excellent demands explicitly stated, which could be distilled to one: Get the corporate money out of politics. Everything else would follow - health care, holding industrial polluters accountable, fair taxation, etc. It's the corporate money that is poisoning the discourse. We don't live in a democracy anymore. Corporations own the media, all we get is propaganda. Legislators don't represent their electorate, they are owned by lobbyists. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: that's one interpretation. you're projecting your own view onto the GA and stating it as fact. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: I agree that we need a WHY but that doesn't have to take the form of demands. Assemblies decide on much more than demands. They are a prefigurative model for a new society. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And > Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there > was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot > understand WHY to occupywallstreet. > > Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the > assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for
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democracy, > then the assembly must be able to set demands. > > Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's > assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount > to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that > will inspire the nation. > > We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive > moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands. > > Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how > to improve things. > > Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it > immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will > debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the > nation. > > Micah > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process >> of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. >> Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. >> >> Marisa >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: >> > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt >> > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a >> > powerful statement. >> > >> > Solidarity, >> > ~ FluxRostrum >> > >> > Current Project >> > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com >> > >> > Home Base >> > http://Fluxview.com >> > >> > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: >> > >> >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> >> plaza.
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>> >> >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >> >> >> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world >> >> needs >> >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise >> >> everyone >> >> is >> >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term >> >> demands, >> >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you >> >> leave >> >> the >> >> plaza. >> >> >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that >> >> is >> >> a >> >> powerful statement. >> >> >> >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >> >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >> >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >> >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >> >>> legal team. >> >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >> >>> >> >>> Marisa >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow >> >>> <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >> >>> > with >> >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might >> >>> > be >> >>> more >> >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in
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>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> is >> >>> >> >>> up >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> was that >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> there as

> the event > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more > noted > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. > Our > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical > presence. > > Just my two cents. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen > <dougsingsen@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >> Wall >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >> encampment if >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It central >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march >>> Broadway will >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday >>>> was >>>> >>>> >>>> the >>>> if necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone

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>> >>> >>>> soon >> >>> as >> >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or >> >>> Battery >> >>> >>>>> Park? >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> >> >>> >>>>> wrote: >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza >> >>> >>>>>> around >> >>> 7am >> >>> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of flux@fluxview.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:03:07 PM

technically we're squatting on private property Quoting Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com>: > WE DEMAND THE RIGHT TO FREELY AND PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE IN PUBLIC TO REDRESS > OUR GRIEVENCES. > > Or is that too constitutional? > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Marisa Holmes > <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: > >> We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process >> of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. >> Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. >> >> Marisa >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: >> > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt >> > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a >> > powerful statement. >> > >> > Solidarity, >> > ~ FluxRostrum >> > >> > Current Project >> > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com >> > >> > Home Base >> > http://Fluxview.com >> > >> > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: >> > >> >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> >> plaza. >> >> >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >> >> >> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world
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>> needs >> >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise >> everyone >> >> is >> >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term >> demands, >> >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave >> >> the >> >> plaza. >> >> >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" - that >> is >> >> a >> >> powerful statement. >> >> >> >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >> >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >> >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >> >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >> >>> legal team. >> >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly. >> >>> >> >>> Marisa >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow < >> disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >> >>> > with >> >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might >> be >> >>> more >> >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the >> >>> event >> >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more >> >>> > noted >> >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. >> Our >> >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical >> >>> > presence. >> >>> > >> >>> > Just my two cents. >> >>> > >> >>> >
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>> >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen < >> dougsingsen@gmail.com> >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >> >>> >> Wall >> >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It >> >>> would be >> >>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >> >>> >> encampment >> >>> if >> >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < >> >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is >> >>> central >> >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >> >>> >>> Broadway >> >>> will >> >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >> >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that >> if >> >>> was >> >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be >> determined >> >>> >>>> by >> >>> the >> >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >> >>> >>>> soon >> >>> as >> >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or >> >>> Battery >> >>> >>>>> Park? >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>>>>
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

>>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around >>> 7am >>> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:46:32 AM

agreed On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if we lost the connection to Wall St. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will frustrate Police efforts to follow. See you oguys there as soon as I can On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery Park? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:45:50 AM

But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if we lost the connection to Wall St. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will frustrate Police efforts to follow. See you oguys there as soon as I can On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery Park? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:02:42 AM

I think holding and or retaking Liberty Square is extremely important. If we need to regroup somewhere,that is fine. lets see if the NYPD wants to barricade even more of the district before we decide to relocate. All the more reason to do mass outreach and invite people to the square. On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > agreed > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery Park? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>>> >>> >> >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:05:43 AM

I think holding and or retaking Liberty Square is extremely important. If we need to regroup somewhere,that is fine. lets see if the NYPD wants to barricade even more of the district before we decide to relocate. All the more reason to do mass outreach and invite people to the square. On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > agreed > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery Park? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>>> >>> >> >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:07:25 AM

Since the park is privately owned, isnt it not the NYPD that wants the group out, but the property owner? is there a direct line of communique with Brookfield Properties? I have unused business attire that could be pulled on for a meeting if needed. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:05 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: I think holding and or retaking Liberty Square is extremely important. If we need to regroup somewhere,that is fine. lets see if the NYPD wants to barricade even more of the district before we decide to relocate. All the more reason to do mass outreach and invite people to the square. On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > agreed > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery Park? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>
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>>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>>> >>> >> > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marisa Holmes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:53:06 AM

Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. We need to do outreach to whoever possible. Also, we will be getting a report today from the legal team. Come to the 1pm General Assembly. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity with > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be more > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the event > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more noted > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical presence. > > Just my two cents. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery >>>>> Park? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Mellow Yellow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:51:40 AM

Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity with many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be more ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the event we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more noted amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical presence. Just my two cents. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if we lost the connection to Wall St. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will frustrate Police efforts to follow. See you oguys there as soon as I can On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery Park? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:20:23 AM

The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery Park? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:40:24 PM

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From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Singsen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:12 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD

+10 on the need for demands It doesn't need to be 1 demand, and it doesn't need to have an ultimatum attached to it (we won't leave until...), which I think is problematic because in reality we will leave when our numbers dwindle, not when Obama passes our demand, which might be months or years from now or never. What's essential is that it be a short, simple list of demands that would represent real improvements in the country's economy. Also, the small number of people gathered in Zucotti Park is not enough to force reform from politicians - we are a seed, not the tree, so acting as though we have the power to do this on our own is misleading both to ourselves and to those watching us. Doug On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the plaza. I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world needs to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise everyone is going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term demands, but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave the plaza. "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -that is a powerful statement. Micah

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On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. We need to do outreach to whoever possible. Also, we will be getting a report today from the legal team. Come to the 1pm General Assembly. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity with > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be more > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the event > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more noted > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical presence. > > Just my two cents. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery >>>>> Park? >>>>>
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>>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>>> >>> >> > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] status of arrests Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:33:54 AM

I don't know. If it's not true then it should be taken off the feed. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:25 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I saw this report yesterday as well abt the food and water but when I went to the park yesterday everything seemed fine. Is this really an issue? On Sep 21, 2011 8:21 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > I saw a report on the livestream feed that > > 1. Police are interfering with attempts to bring food and water into the > park > > 2. A young girl is still in custody. > > I'm going to call Lt. Speechley later this morning and request an update > before I do, does anyone have information on the above, or any of the other > arrests? > > thanks, > Gail

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] status of arrests Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:25:19 AM

I saw this report yesterday as well abt the food and water but when I went to the park yesterday everything seemed fine. Is this really an issue? On Sep 21, 2011 8:21 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > I saw a report on the livestream feed that > > 1. Police are interfering with attempts to bring food and water into the > park > > 2. A young girl is still in custody. > > I'm going to call Lt. Speechley later this morning and request an update > before I do, does anyone have information on the above, or any of the other > arrests? > > thanks, > Gail

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Yoni Golijov september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] status of arrests Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:32:22 AM

I think It is an issue if someone is still arrested, could be taken off the feed though if counterproductive as long as others on the ground can confirm and help her thanks! On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:35 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, it makes it hard to recruit people to join us when the situation is painted to be this dire. On Sep 21, 2011 8:33 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't know. If it's not true then it should be taken off the feed. > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:25 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I saw this report yesterday as well abt the food and water but when I went >> to the park yesterday everything seemed fine. Is this really an issue? >> On Sep 21, 2011 8:21 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I saw a report on the livestream feed that >> > >> > 1. Police are interfering with attempts to bring food and water into the >> > park >> > >> > 2. A young girl is still in custody. >> > >> > I'm going to call Lt. Speechley later this morning and request an update >> >> > before I do, does anyone have information on the above, or any of the >> other >> > arrests? >> > >> > thanks, >> > Gail >>

-yOni

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] status of arrests Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:54:31 AM

spoke to her mom and posted here: http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/09/mariel-is-missing.html On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Yoni Golijov <aycofspades@gmail.com> wrote: I think It is an issue if someone is still arrested, could be taken off the feed though if counterproductive as long as others on the ground can confirm and help her thanks! On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:35 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, it makes it hard to recruit people to join us when the situation is painted to be this dire. On Sep 21, 2011 8:33 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't know. If it's not true then it should be taken off the feed. > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:25 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I saw this report yesterday as well abt the food and water but when I went >> to the park yesterday everything seemed fine. Is this really an issue? >> On Sep 21, 2011 8:21 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I saw a report on the livestream feed that >> > >> > 1. Police are interfering with attempts to bring food and water into the >> > park >> > >> > 2. A young girl is still in custody. >> > >> > I'm going to call Lt. Speechley later this morning and request an update >> >> > before I do, does anyone have information on the above, or any of the >> other >> > arrests? >> > >> > thanks, >> > Gail >>

-yOni

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] status of arrests Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:35:55 AM

Yes, it makes it hard to recruit people to join us when the situation is painted to be this dire. On Sep 21, 2011 8:33 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't know. If it's not true then it should be taken off the feed. > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:25 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I saw this report yesterday as well abt the food and water but when I went >> to the park yesterday everything seemed fine. Is this really an issue? >> On Sep 21, 2011 8:21 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I saw a report on the livestream feed that >> > >> > 1. Police are interfering with attempts to bring food and water into the >> > park >> > >> > 2. A young girl is still in custody. >> > >> > I'm going to call Lt. Speechley later this morning and request an update >> >> > before I do, does anyone have information on the above, or any of the >> other >> > arrests? >> > >> > thanks, >> > Gail >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Suggestions for media Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:55:38 AM

A flickr group has been created for the NYCGA. Upload your photos there.
http://www.flickr.com/groups/nycga/

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: great ideas! On Sep 22, 2011, at 1:54 AM, Vicente Rubio wrote: Hi, these are two simple suggestion for the media people. I would have done them by myself if I knew how to do it and have the necessary material, but I don't, so I throw the idea here just in case someone finds it useful. I offer any help I can to whoever is interested in doing this. music video Do you remember Saturday's assembly, when someone started to sing Journey's "Don't stop believing"? Everyone there started singing. It may sound not very "radical", but it was probably my favorite moment of that night (and there were plenty of them!). Very nice, warm and funny moment. Why don't edit a video using that song? We could use lots of footage of the assemblies, and even some frames of participants singing to the camera. Whatever works. I know. The song is cheesy. That's precisely a strong part of its power. It has a meaning for the Liberty Plaza community, but also is a famous song (a subtle, powerful depiction of the american working class everyday life) and contains an encouraging message. Really good for a viral! Journey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUYuIVbFg0 Glee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWMYGLxSWPM (I personally prefer the original by Journey. Glee's is maybe more popular now, but Journey's retains the working class element) slideshow In Barcelona they use to have a gallery of photos of participants. They are amazing, precisely because they show the enormous diversity among the people there. Here is a slideshow: http://www.flickr.com/photos/63055421@N04/sets/7215762678370876 2/show/with/5748872448/ Would it be possible to arrange a similar gallery?Just having a photographer taking such portraits at different times of the day. In doing so, we can try to communicate the existing diversity of the movement we want to build. This could be posted to the NYCGA blog.

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What do you think? You all must be exhausted. Just let me know if there's anybody interested.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Suggestions for media Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:13:04 AM

great ideas! On Sep 22, 2011, at 1:54 AM, Vicente Rubio wrote: Hi, these are two simple suggestion for the media people. I would have done them by myself if I knew how to do it and have the necessary material, but I don't, so I throw the idea here just in case someone finds it useful. I offer any help I can to whoever is interested in doing this. music video Do you remember Saturday's assembly, when someone started to sing Journey's "Don't stop believing"? Everyone there started singing. It may sound not very "radical", but it was probably my favorite moment of that night (and there were plenty of them!). Very nice, warm and funny moment. Why don't edit a video using that song? We could use lots of footage of the assemblies, and even some frames of participants singing to the camera. Whatever works. I know. The song is cheesy. That's precisely a strong part of its power. It has a meaning for the Liberty Plaza community, but also is a famous song (a subtle, powerful depiction of the american working class everyday life) and contains an encouraging message. Really good for a viral! Journey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUYuIVbFg0 Glee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWMYGLxSWPM (I personally prefer the original by Journey. Glee's is maybe more popular now, but Journey's retains the working class element) slideshow In Barcelona they use to have a gallery of photos of participants. They are amazing, precisely because they show the enormous diversity among the people there. Here is a slideshow: http://www.flickr.com/photos/63055421@N04/sets/72157626783708762/ show/with/5748872448/ Would it be possible to arrange a similar gallery?Just having a photographer taking such portraits at different times of the day. In doing so, we can try to communicate the existing diversity of the movement we want to build. This could be posted to the NYCGA blog. What do you think? You all must be exhausted. Just let me know if there's anybody interested.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Take a Census! Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:53:30 PM

I've got a survey monkey account and my quant skills are sharp, I'm willing to talk and work with you on this Chuck. Harrison On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:05 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
For the record at 6:30 Sunday morning I counted about 215 sleepers and empty "beds."

On 09/20/11, Chuck Schumer<csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Gang, I think it is extremely important that we take a census of the occupation. This should be done during the evening, when only sleepers remain (and the numbers would be lowest, but most representative of the sustained occupation). This should be AT LEAST a headcount, so we can track the numbers. I recall seeing on twitter that Monday night there were 162 sleepers. We need to know if this number is growing or not. Ideally, that count could also include other basic demographics like age and education. Knowing median age could help dispel the myth of the "college hippie" and "young radical." Geographical origin would also be interesting to know. Cheers, solidarity, and see you on the streets! Slept out Saturday night, visited Sunday and Monday, and I'll be back whenever I have a free moment.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Take a Census! Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:05:50 PM

For the record at 6:30 Sunday morning I counted about 215 sleepers and empty "beds."

On 09/20/11, Chuck Schumer<csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Gang, I think it is extremely important that we take a census of the occupation. This should be done during the evening, when only sleepers remain (and the numbers would be lowest, but most representative of the sustained occupation). This should be AT LEAST a headcount, so we can track the numbers. I recall seeing on twitter that Monday night there were 162 sleepers. We need to know if this number is growing or not. Ideally, that count could also include other basic demographics like age and education. Knowing median age could help dispel the myth of the "college hippie" and "young radical." Geographical origin would also be interesting to know. Cheers, solidarity, and see you on the streets! Slept out Saturday night, visited Sunday and Monday, and I'll be back whenever I have a free moment.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Twitter feed Sunday, September 18, 2011 3:56:42 PM

Justin I would love to help with that I am here a little south of the food on a purple and white blanket with the grl on the red scooter. On Sep 18, 2011 3:31 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > Traffic on @occupywallstnyc is getting to be too much for me. (almost 5,000 followers now and dozens of dm's) > > If u can help cotweet w me, see Justin at camp. > > Justin Wedes > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > Use your voice! > Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > >~ > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab >~

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Was contacted by Reverend Manny, re the arrests Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:01:10 PM

http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/ I asked the NYPD for a statement and that's what they sent me. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: The update I'm sending them (and the independent by extension) is simply a short factual statement, I'm posting it here just in case anyone has problems with it. One person was arrested for using a loudspeaker, which the police claims was without permission, while another one was arrested regarding the tarps (which the NYPD claimed were tents after we were told tarps would be fine) and was also wounded during the arrest and needed medical attention.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] We need tarps. Monday, September 19, 2011 7:32:20 PM

Trying to get a hold of some tarps through my bros and sisters at IATSE Local 52 -- some more electrical supplies on their way. Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 19, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Co donated tents have tarps? > > Where can we send people to a clickable link to buy us tarps? > > Justin Wedes > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > Use your voice! > Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > >~ > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab >~ > > On Sep 19, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Just like the big banks needed them in 2008 to keep going, the >> occupation of Wall Street needs some TARPs. (Apologies for that; the >> pun works better spoken.) We've had great weather (well, except for >> the cold at night), but it is forecast to maybe rain Tuesday through >> the end of the week >> [http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php? CityName=New+York&state=NY&site=OKX&textField1=40.7198&textField2=-73.993&e=1]; >> if I had to guess, it will be on-and-off drizzles with periodic >> heavier stuff. We have electronics and people (awake and asleep) that >> need shielding from the water, and last I checked (earlier this >> morning, not there now) we didn't have that much in the way of >> protection. Has that changed? Any more thoughts, ideas? >> >> --glj

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] We need tarps. Monday, September 19, 2011 5:08:06 PM

Co donated tents have tarps? Where can we send people to a clickable link to buy us tarps? Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 19, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: > Just like the big banks needed them in 2008 to keep going, the > occupation of Wall Street needs some TARPs. (Apologies for that; the > pun works better spoken.) We've had great weather (well, except for > the cold at night), but it is forecast to maybe rain Tuesday through > the end of the week > [http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php? CityName=New+York&state=NY&site=OKX&textField1=40.7198&textField2=-73.993&e=1]; > if I had to guess, it will be on-and-off drizzles with periodic > heavier stuff. We have electronics and people (awake and asleep) that > need shielding from the water, and last I checked (earlier this > morning, not there now) we didn't have that much in the way of > protection. Has that changed? Any more thoughts, ideas? > > --glj

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] WTC Workers Visit Liberty Square Today Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:56:56 PM

If you write something up, we can get it designed and printed.... On Thursday, September 22, 2011, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > The World Trade Center workers from various construction unions always come > to the park on their lunch hour; they did not necessarily come to see us. > I've been talking to them about their unions all week; they are very > receptive to our message. It's great that other people engaged them > Thursday. We need a labor oriented flyer, which the Labor Working Group can > create, on why occupy wall street supports labor and why trade unionists > should support occupy wall street. > > -----Original Message----> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Will > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:46 AM > To: september17 > Subject: [september17discuss] Re: WTC Workers Visit Liberty Square Today > > Great Lauren, Sorry I missed your comment before. Hopefully they'll > stop by again so we can talk to them more about this. Who has > pictures from Wednesday? > > On Sep 22, 1:35 am, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Seconded, I barely got wind of it. I know the union that staged a >> walkout earlier was the Cement League however. >> >> On Sep 22, 1:08 am, Will <william.russel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > So reports are that there was a massive presence of construction >> > workers from the World Trade Center site who visited the occupation >> > today and lots of people talked with them and gave them flyers. This >> > is great, but I really hope that somebody felt it was important enough >> > to ask them what union(s) they were a part of. I also hope someone >> > had the foresight to get pictures on social media and this story out >> > the the media in general. The symbolic nature of this visit is huge, >> > and I haven't seen anything in any media or even anyone's fb about >> > it. Let's get this out there! >> >> > Will >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of pirijod september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] WTC Workers Visit Liberty Square Today Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:30:09 AM

Hi everyone! There are people organizing an Outreach Day for #TroyDavis in Union Square at 5pm. The call is really spreading out in Twitter. Don't you think we should go there and try to take people to #OccupyWallStreet? I think we should bond #TroyDavis and #OccupyWallStreet in Twitter as much as we can. ruso.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] YouTube Status? Thursday, September 22, 2011 3:53:08 PM

Sounds good Drew, Micah, We'll get it before the GA for discussion because I happen to think its a good idea, I would also point out that you pointed out earlier today I believe that that radicals around the world have been funding us and that the money will eventually run out. Monetizing YouTube content is one way to help make this occupation financially autonomous. Recycling our message and using it to feed people here seems like a good idea to me and to those of my comrades I've suggested it to. I would also point out that omitting of the "..." portion of my comment strips it of its context. You just admonished me and told me to be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. I thought we we're going to try to start playing nice. Harrison 646 706 1734 On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I can bring this up at the internet working group meeting today at 5pm @ liberty plaza. We can then bring it to the assembly. -Drew On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Monetize #OCCUPYWALLSTREET? You want to put corporate advertising on #OCCUPYWALLSTREET videos? On August 20th, you wrote to Adbusters and said: "My scheme is to commodify any traffic I manage to successfully drive to the occupywallst.org site, open it up and sell it as advertising space to corporations..." and "A Corporate Funded Revolution is a contradiction in terms, its practically an oxymoron. Something we've never considered before. It's a revolutionary plan..." I think you should take this "Corporate Funded Revolution" to the GA for discussion. Micah

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote:
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Hey Gang, I forgot to mention that one of my youtube clips of Reverend Billy's preaching on the 17th has blown up. Google has invited me to monetize my clips. Moreover, my boss, from a publicly traded marketing company who thinks we've all done a killer job, has offered to help me learn how to use adsense to make some cash for the occupation. Does anyone know if a central YouTube channel has been built for this? In solidarity, Harrison

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] YouTube Status? Thursday, September 22, 2011 4:36:23 PM

Just FYILivestream sent an email today saying they were upgrading us to premium at no charge. Said ad providers felt uncomfortable about the content. Something 2 keep in mind w advertising Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds good Drew, Micah, We'll get it before the GA for discussion because I happen to think its a good idea, I would also point out that you pointed out earlier today I believe that that radicals around the world have been funding us and that the money will eventually run out. Monetizing YouTube content is one way to help make this occupation financially autonomous. Recycling our message and using it to feed people here seems like a good idea to me and to those of my comrades I've suggested it to. I would also point out that omitting of the "..." portion of my comment strips it of its context. You just admonished me and told me to be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. I thought we we're going to try to start playing nice. Harrison 646 706 1734 On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I can bring this up at the internet working group meeting today at 5pm @ liberty plaza. We can then bring it to the assembly.

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-Drew On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Monetize #OCCUPYWALLSTREET? You want to put corporate advertising on #OCCUPYWALLSTREET videos? On August 20th, you wrote to Adbusters and said: "My scheme is to commodify any traffic I manage to successfully drive to the occupywallst.org site, open it up and sell it as advertising space to corporations..." and "A Corporate Funded Revolution is a contradiction in terms, its practically an oxymoron. Something we've never considered before. It's a revolutionary plan..." I think you should take this "Corporate Funded Revolution" to the GA for discussion. Micah

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Gang, I forgot to mention that one of my youtube clips of Reverend Billy's preaching on the 17th has blown up. Google has invited me to monetize my clips. Moreover, my boss, from a publicly traded marketing company who thinks we've all done a killer job, has offered to help me learn how to use adsense to make some cash for the occupation. Does anyone know if a central YouTube channel has been built for this? In solidarity, Harrison

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] YouTube Status? Thursday, September 22, 2011 4:45:23 PM

Did they say anything more specific? Any idea what it was about the content specifically that made them uncomfortable? H. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Just FYILivestream sent an email today saying they were upgrading us to premium at no charge. Said ad providers felt uncomfortable about the content. Something 2 keep in mind w advertising Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds good Drew, Micah, We'll get it before the GA for discussion because I happen to think its a good idea, I would also point out that you pointed out earlier today I believe that that radicals around the world have been funding us and that the money will eventually run out. Monetizing YouTube content is one way to help make this occupation financially autonomous. Recycling our message and using it to feed people here seems like a good idea to me and to those of my comrades I've suggested it to. I would also point out that omitting of the "..." portion of my comment strips it of its context. You just admonished me and told me to be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. I thought we we're going to try to start playing nice. Harrison 646 706 1734

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I can bring this up at the internet working group meeting today at 5pm @ liberty plaza. We can then bring it to the assembly. -Drew On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Monetize #OCCUPYWALLSTREET? You want to put corporate advertising on #OCCUPYWALLSTREET videos? On August 20th, you wrote to Adbusters and said: "My scheme is to commodify any traffic I manage to successfully drive to the occupywallst.org site, open it up and sell it as advertising space to corporations..." and "A Corporate Funded Revolution is a contradiction in terms, its practically an oxymoron. Something we've never considered before. It's a revolutionary plan..." I think you should take this "Corporate Funded Revolution" to the GA for discussion. Micah

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Gang, I forgot to mention that one of my youtube clips of Reverend Billy's preaching on the 17th has blown up. Google has invited me to monetize my clips. Moreover, my boss, from a publicly traded marketing company who thinks we've all done a killer job, has offered to help me learn how to use adsense to make some cash for the occupation. Does anyone know if a central YouTube channel has been built for this? In solidarity, Harrison

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] YouTube Status? Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:43:01 PM

Exact words from live stream support: "There were some concerns from our Ad providers with the content of the channel." We had a good laugh about this in the media center and tweeted it. Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 22, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Did they say anything more specific? Any idea what it was about the content specifically that made them uncomfortable? H. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Just FYILivestream sent an email today saying they were upgrading us to premium at no charge. Said ad providers felt uncomfortable about the content. Something 2 keep in mind w advertising Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds good Drew, Micah, We'll get it before the GA for discussion because I happen to think its a good idea, I would also point out that you pointed out earlier today I believe that that radicals around the world have been funding us and that the money will eventually run out. Monetizing YouTube content is one way to help make this occupation financially autonomous. Recycling our message and using it to feed people here seems like a good idea to me and to those of my comrades I've suggested it to. I would also point out that omitting of the "..." portion of my comment strips it of its context. You just admonished me and told me to be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. I thought we we're going to try to start playing nice. Harrison 646 706 1734 On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I can bring this up at the internet working group meeting today at 5pm @ liberty plaza. We can then bring it to the assembly. -Drew On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Monetize #OCCUPYWALLSTREET? You want to put corporate advertising on #OCCUPYWALLSTREET videos? On August 20th, you wrote to Adbusters and said: "My scheme is to commodify any traffic I manage to successfully drive to the occupywallst.org site, open it up and sell it as advertising space to corporations..." and "A Corporate Funded Revolution is a contradiction in terms, its practically an oxymoron. Something we've never considered before. It's a revolutionary plan..." I think you should take this "Corporate Funded Revolution" to the GA for discussion.
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Micah

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Gang, I forgot to mention that one of my youtube clips of Reverend Billy's preaching on the 17th has blown up. Google has invited me to monetize my clips. Moreover, my boss, from a publicly traded marketing company who thinks we've all done a killer job, has offered to help me learn how to use adsense to make some cash for the occupation. Does anyone know if a central YouTube channel has been built for this? In solidarity, Harrison

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of M C september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] YouTube Status? Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:04:50 PM

Woo hoo great news!! I felt uncomfortable too, having to watch american express commercial before every video on 'global revolution' channel. And premium account on livestream is quite not cheap, so this is totally great news!

Maria From: Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> To: "september17@googlegroups.com" <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [september17discuss] YouTube Status?

Just FYILivestream sent an email today saying they were upgrading us to premium at no charge. Said ad providers felt uncomfortable about the content. Something 2 keep in mind w advertising Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds good Drew, Micah, We'll get it before the GA for discussion because I happen to think its a good idea, I would also point out that you pointed out earlier today I believe that that radicals around the world have been funding us and that the money will eventually run out. Monetizing YouTube content is one way to help make this occupation financially autonomous. Recycling our message and using it to feed people here seems like a good idea to me and to those of my comrades I've
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

suggested it to. I would also point out that omitting of the "..." portion of my comment strips it of its context. You just admonished me and told me to be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. I thought we we're going to try to start playing nice. Harrison 646 706 1734 On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I can bring this up at the internet working group meeting today at 5pm @ liberty plaza. We can then bring it to the assembly. -Drew On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Monetize #OCCUPYWALLSTREET? You want to put corporate advertising on #OCCUPYWALLSTREET videos? On August 20th, you wrote to Adbusters and said: "My scheme is to commodify any traffic I manage to successfully drive to the occupywallst.org site, open it up and sell it as advertising space to corporations..." and "A Corporate Funded Revolution is a contradiction in terms, its practically an oxymoron. Something we've never considered before. It's a revolutionary plan..." I think you should take this "Corporate Funded Revolution" to the GA for discussion. Micah

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Gang, I forgot to mention that one of my youtube clips of Reverend Billy's preaching on the 17th has blown up. Google has invited me to monetize my clips. Moreover, my boss, from a publicly traded marketing company who thinks we've all done a killer job, has offered to help me learn how to use adsense to make some cash for the occupation. Does anyone know if a central YouTube channel has been built for this? In solidarity,
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Harrison

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] YouTube Status? Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:19:21 PM

What lousy capitalists those guys are. Declining to advertise? Sheesh. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: Fantastic news! Half a million dollars in bandwidth and no ads -- the revolution will be televised after all Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 22, 2011, at 6:04 PM, M C <tebefoto@yahoo.com> wrote:
Woo hoo great news!! I felt uncomfortable too, having to watch american express commercial before every video on 'global revolution' channel. And premium account on livestream is quite not cheap, so this is totally great news!

Maria From: Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> To: "september17@googlegroups.com" <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [september17discuss] YouTube Status?

Just FYILivestream sent an email today saying they were upgrading us to premium at no charge. Said ad providers felt uncomfortable about the content. Something 2 keep in mind w advertising Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds good Drew, Micah, We'll get it before the GA for discussion because I happen to think its a good idea, I would also point out that you pointed out earlier today I believe that that radicals around the world have been funding us and that the money will eventually run out. Monetizing YouTube content is one way to help make this occupation financially autonomous. Recycling our message and using it to feed people here seems like a good idea to me and to those of my comrades I've suggested it to. I would also point out that omitting of the "..." portion of my comment strips it of its context. You just admonished me and told me to be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. I thought we we're going to try to start playing nice. Harrison 646 706 1734 On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I can bring this up at the internet working group meeting today at 5pm @ liberty plaza. We can then bring it to the assembly. -Drew On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Monetize #OCCUPYWALLSTREET? You want to put corporate advertising on #OCCUPYWALLSTREET videos? On August 20th, you wrote to Adbusters and said: "My scheme is to commodify any traffic I manage to successfully drive to the occupywallst.org site, open it up and sell it as advertising space to corporations..." and "A Corporate Funded Revolution is a contradiction in terms, its practically an oxymoron. Something we've never considered before. It's a revolutionary plan..." I think you should take this "Corporate Funded Revolution" to
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

the GA for discussion. Micah

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Gang, I forgot to mention that one of my youtube clips of Reverend Billy's preaching on the 17th has blown up. Google has invited me to monetize my clips. Moreover, my boss, from a publicly traded marketing company who thinks we've all done a killer job, has offered to help me learn how to use adsense to make some cash for the occupation. Does anyone know if a central YouTube channel has been built for this? In solidarity, Harrison

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] YouTube Status? Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:24:39 PM

I take it as a positive sign. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Exact words from live stream support: "There were some concerns from our Ad providers with the content of the channel." We had a good laugh about this in the media center and tweeted it. Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 22, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Did they say anything more specific? Any idea what it was about the content specifically that made them uncomfortable? H. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Just FYILivestream sent an email today saying they were upgrading us to premium at no charge. Said ad providers felt uncomfortable about the content. Something 2 keep in mind w advertising Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds good Drew, Micah, We'll get it before the GA for discussion because I happen to think its a good idea, I would also point out that you pointed out earlier today I believe that that radicals around the world have been funding us and that the money will eventually run out. Monetizing YouTube content is one way to help make this occupation financially autonomous. Recycling our message and using it to feed people here seems like a good idea to me and to those of my comrades I've suggested it to. I would also point out that omitting of the "..." portion of my comment strips it of its context. You just admonished me and told me to be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. I thought we we're going to try to start playing nice. Harrison 646 706 1734 On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I can bring this up at the internet working group meeting today at 5pm @ liberty plaza. We can then bring it to the assembly. -Drew On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Monetize #OCCUPYWALLSTREET? You want to put corporate advertising on #OCCUPYWALLSTREET videos? On August 20th, you wrote to Adbusters and said: "My scheme is to commodify any traffic I manage to successfully drive to the occupywallst.org site, open it up and sell it as advertising space to corporations..." and "A Corporate Funded Revolution is a contradiction in terms, its practically an oxymoron. Something
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

we've never considered before. It's a revolutionary plan..." I think you should take this "Corporate Funded Revolution" to the GA for discussion. Micah

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Gang, I forgot to mention that one of my youtube clips of Reverend Billy's preaching on the 17th has blown up. Google has invited me to monetize my clips. Moreover, my boss, from a publicly traded marketing company who thinks we've all done a killer job, has offered to help me learn how to use adsense to make some cash for the occupation. Does anyone know if a central YouTube channel has been built for this? In solidarity, Harrison

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] YouTube Status? Friday, September 23, 2011 12:42:56 AM

hmm, maybe we should be putting out more questionable content after all, might get us more upgraded, uninterrupted reach! H.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:24 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: I take it as a positive sign. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Exact words from live stream support: "There were some concerns from our Ad providers with the content of the channel." We had a good laugh about this in the media center and tweeted it. Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 22, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Did they say anything more specific? Any idea what it was about the content specifically that made them uncomfortable? H. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Just FYILivestream sent an email today saying they were upgrading us to premium at no charge. Said ad providers felt uncomfortable about the content. Something 2 keep in mind w advertising

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds good Drew, Micah, We'll get it before the GA for discussion because I happen to think its a good idea, I would also point out that you pointed out earlier today I believe that that radicals around the world have been funding us and that the money will eventually run out. Monetizing YouTube content is one way to help make this occupation financially autonomous. Recycling our message and using it to feed people here seems like a good idea to me and to those of my comrades I've suggested it to. I would also point out that omitting of the "..." portion of my comment strips it of its context. You just admonished me and told me to be respectful of playing nice.

the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. I thought we we're going to try to start

Harrison 646 706 1734 On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I can bring this up at the internet working group meeting today at 5pm @ liberty plaza. We can then bring it to the assembly. -Drew On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Monetize #OCCUPYWALLSTREET? You want to put
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

corporate advertising on #OCCUPYWALLSTREET videos? On August 20th, you wrote to Adbusters and said: "My scheme is to commodify any traffic I manage to successfully drive to the occupywallst.org site, open it up and sell it as advertising space to corporations..." and "A Corporate Funded Revolution is a contradiction in terms, its practically an oxymoron. Something we've never considered before. It's a revolutionary plan..." I think you should take this "Corporate Funded Revolution" to the GA for discussion. Micah

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Gang, I forgot to mention that one of my youtube clips of Reverend Billy's preaching on the 17th has blown up. Google has invited me to monetize my clips. Moreover, my boss, from a publicly traded marketing company who thinks we've all done a killer job, has offered to help me learn how to use adsense to make some cash for the occupation. Does anyone know if a central YouTube channel has been built for this? In solidarity, Harrison

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] YouTube Status? Thursday, September 22, 2011 3:41:31 PM

I can bring this up at the internet working group meeting today at 5pm @ liberty plaza. We can then bring it to the assembly. -Drew On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Monetize #OCCUPYWALLSTREET? You want to put corporate advertising on #OCCUPYWALLSTREET videos? On August 20th, you wrote to Adbusters and said: "My scheme is to commodify any traffic I manage to successfully drive to the occupywallst.org site, open it up and sell it as advertising space to corporations..." and "A Corporate Funded Revolution is a contradiction in terms, its practically an oxymoron. Something we've never considered before. It's a revolutionary plan..." I think you should take this "Corporate Funded Revolution" to the GA for discussion. Micah

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Gang, I forgot to mention that one of my youtube clips of Reverend Billy's preaching on the 17th has blown up. Google has invited me to monetize my clips. Moreover, my boss, from a publicly traded marketing company who thinks we've all done a killer job, has offered to help me learn how to use adsense to make some cash for the occupation. Does anyone know if a central YouTube channel has been built for this? In solidarity, Harrison

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:15:16 PM

I completely agree. The definition of the GA is to come as individuals and it will be expressed to them that way. If we would like to see thousands of people at our occupation, getting unions on board is necessary. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: Just as a quick question - who are we kidding? We're talking of working with teamster locals, with other unions, with other groups and collectives. Are we not making a false dichotomy where somehow individuals and collectives can't exist at the same time? On Sep 20, 7:52 pm, "Alexa D. O'Brien" <alexaobr...@gmail.com> wrote: > It should be made clear that if the SEIU "join" the movement, they join then > as individuals and not as a group, since the GA has essentially ostracized > every other group and avoided forming coalitions. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasboster...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > Do we have a press release? Union representatives from SEIU have contacted > > me showing interest in joining our movement. They asked for some general > > information including a press release. > > > Lucas > > -> alexaobr...@gmail.comwww.alexaobrien.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:33:14 PM

Thatd be amazing Alexa. My only wish is to increase our numbers and I see bringing in Union members would be crucial. However, it must be stated to them that this is non-hierarchial and leaderless with no organizational attachments. If they wish to participate in the GA they must do it as individuals. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Alexa O'Brien <alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote: You and me share similar sentiment,however , I was practically disinvited from my second assembly meeting by Marissa the facilitator for introducing myself as an individual and admin of US Day of Rage... GA needs its facilitators to practice less subjective patronage based on their own agendas. Part of the reason the ga has lost quite a bit of credibility with people is it's lack of equanimity and self centered navel gazing IMO. In my personal capacity (and I make that very clear distinction because usdayofrage is non partisan and ultimately wants only citizens to make campaign contributions etc) I have many family and friends that are union leadership or rank and file. I will make some calls if you wish. On Sep 20, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > Just as a quick question - who are we kidding? We're talking of > working with teamster locals, with other unions, with other groups and > collectives. Are we not making a false dichotomy where somehow > individuals and collectives can't exist at the same time? > > On Sep 20, 7:52 pm, "Alexa D. O'Brien" <alexaobr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> It should be made clear that if the SEIU "join" the movement, they join then >> as individuals and not as a group, since the GA has essentially ostracized >> every other group and avoided forming coalitions. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasboster...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Do we have a press release? Union representatives from SEIU have contacted >>> me showing interest in joining our movement. They asked for some general >>> information including a press release. >> >>> Lucas >> >> ->> alexaobr...@gmail.comwww.alexaobrien.com
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:31:49 PM

+1 that. On Sep 20, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Alexa D. O'Brien wrote: It should be made clear that if the SEIU "join" the movement, they join then as individuals and not as a group, since the GA has essentially ostracized every other group and avoided forming coalitions.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: Do we have a press release? Union representatives from SEIU have contacted me showing interest in joining our movement. They asked for some general information including a press release. Lucas

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:35:04 PM

+1 Doug and i think your right on the fact that they would participate in the GA just like any of us would already On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: Thatd be amazing Alexa. My only wish is to increase our numbers and I see bringing in Union members would be crucial. However, it must be stated to them that this is non-hierarchial and leaderless with no organizational attachments. If they wish to participate in the GA they must do it as individuals. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Alexa O'Brien <alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote: You and me share similar sentiment,however , I was practically disinvited from my second assembly meeting by Marissa the facilitator for introducing myself as an individual and admin of US Day of Rage... GA needs its facilitators to practice less subjective patronage based on their own agendas. Part of the reason the ga has lost quite a bit of credibility with people is it's lack of equanimity and self centered navel gazing IMO. In my personal capacity (and I make that very clear distinction because usdayofrage is non partisan and ultimately wants only citizens to make campaign contributions etc) I have many family and friends that are union leadership or rank and file. I will make some calls if you wish. On Sep 20, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > Just as a quick question - who are we kidding? We're talking of > working with teamster locals, with other unions, with other groups and > collectives. Are we not making a false dichotomy where somehow > individuals and collectives can't exist at the same time? > > On Sep 20, 7:52 pm, "Alexa D. O'Brien" <alexaobr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> It should be made clear that if the SEIU "join" the movement, they join then >> as individuals and not as a group, since the GA has essentially ostracized >> every other group and avoided forming coalitions. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasboster...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Do we have a press release? Union representatives from SEIU have contacted >>> me showing interest in joining our movement. They asked for some
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general >>> information including a press release. >> >>> Lucas >> >> ->> alexaobr...@gmail.comwww.alexaobrien.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:36:00 PM

and it would really help if any one knew of any press releases made On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: +1 Doug and i think your right on the fact that they would participate in the GA just like any of us would already On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: Thatd be amazing Alexa. My only wish is to increase our numbers and I see bringing in Union members would be crucial. However, it must be stated to them that this is non-hierarchial and leaderless with no organizational attachments. If they wish to participate in the GA they must do it as individuals. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Alexa O'Brien <alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote: You and me share similar sentiment,however , I was practically disinvited from my second assembly meeting by Marissa the facilitator for introducing myself as an individual and admin of US Day of Rage... GA needs its facilitators to practice less subjective patronage based on their own agendas. Part of the reason the ga has lost quite a bit of credibility with people is it's lack of equanimity and self centered navel gazing IMO. In my personal capacity (and I make that very clear distinction because usdayofrage is non partisan and ultimately wants only citizens to make campaign contributions etc) I have many family and friends that are union leadership or rank and file. I will make some calls if you wish. On Sep 20, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > Just as a quick question - who are we kidding? We're talking of > working with teamster locals, with other unions, with other groups and > collectives. Are we not making a false dichotomy where somehow > individuals and collectives can't exist at the same time? > > On Sep 20, 7:52 pm, "Alexa D. O'Brien" <alexaobr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> It should be made clear that if the SEIU "join" the movement, they join then >> as individuals and not as a group, since the GA has essentially ostracized >> every other group and avoided forming coalitions.
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>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasboster...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Do we have a press release? Union representatives from SEIU have contacted >>> me showing interest in joining our movement. They asked for some general >>> information including a press release. >> >>> Lucas >> >> ->> alexaobr...@gmail.comwww.alexaobrien.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 Re: [september17discuss] Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:59:33 PM

Just as a quick question - who are we kidding? We're talking of working with teamster locals, with other unions, with other groups and collectives. Are we not making a false dichotomy where somehow individuals and collectives can't exist at the same time? On Sep 20, 7:52 pm, "Alexa D. O'Brien" <alexaobr...@gmail.com> wrote: > It should be made clear that if the SEIU "join" the movement, they join then > as individuals and not as a group, since the GA has essentially ostracized > every other group and avoided forming coalitions. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasboster...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > Do we have a press release? Union representatives from SEIU have contacted > > me showing interest in joining our movement. They asked for some general > > information including a press release. > > > Lucas > > -> alexaobr...@gmail.comwww.alexaobrien.com

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Farrell, Mark Thomas Ryan RE: HEADS UP WARNING! Friday, September 23, 2011 12:18:57 PM

Thanks Tom, Ill pass this to my counterpart at NBCU.


From: Thomas Ryan [mailto:tom.ryan@providesecurity.com] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:50 AM To: Farrell, Mark Subject: HEADS UP WARNING! Importance: High

Mark, Since you are the CSO, I am not sure of your role in NBC since COMCAST owns them. There is a huge protest in New York call Occupy Wall Street. Here is an email of stunts that they will try to pull on the TODAY show. We have been heavily monitoring Occupy Wall Street, and Anonymous.
Thomas Ryan Managing Partner Provide Security phone: +1(732)207-7916 e-mail: tom.ryan@providesecurity.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyryan

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harrison Schultz Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:34 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [Press Inquiries] media coverage

Awesome idea! A bunch of us from NORML NYC tried to get in front of good morning America on 4/20/2010 with bunch of signs that said stuff like "Tokers for Roker (sp?) and "I got high today"- using the today show's logo in place of the word today...in order to protest the 50K+ possession arrests in NYC. They asked us to see our signs and we couldn't get in, we wanted to put the message on our shirts under our jackets, go back and take our coats off in front of the cameras, but the group broke up before we could get around to it. This could work, and it'll be a lot of fun! Harrison

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On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 5:48 AM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: this lovely idea just came in from one of our live viewers

----- Forwarded message from darkalchemist000@gmail.com ----Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 03:54:41 -0400 From: darkalchemist000@gmail.com Subject: [Press Inquiries] media coverage To: staff@mobilebroadcastnews.com chris sent a message using the contact form at http://mobilebroadcastnews.com/NewsRoom/contact. i was wanting to say that what you are doing is amazing and i am grateful for what you are doing. i was wondering what the possibility would be of you spreading the message to the protesters of going to the sets of the today show and good morning america, if you arrive at roughly 5 am to the respective studios then you can have their entire live crowd filled with protesters and that would spread the message to the entire audience and continue to go everyday that the protest is going, this could cause a massive ripple in the pond of injustice, thank you for readin and god bless ----- End forwarded message -----

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: RE: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99 Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:47:01 PM

There are probably a good 30 or 40% who could never agree with what we are trying to do, but there are people making over $250,000 that are in fact being abused by the 1% since their small businesses do not get the breaks that the giant corporations do. If we could win small business people to our side, by pointing out that all of the breaks go to their biggest competitors, and their customers are losing their jobs to pay for it, it would take major allies from the transnationals. I know some of you have no sympathy for the upper middle class (or lower upper class), for good reason, but if they want to be on our side, we shouldthink twice about chasing them away. The 99% message is inclusive. The people that don't want to be included won't need us to tell them. On 09/20/11, Jackie DiSalvo<jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Yes- it works great as a rhetorical slogan, but unfortunately is not true. The 1% works language since 1% have majority economic control, but part of the 99% (Is it the top 10%?, the top managerial class and some of the petty capitalists (smaller than the 1% owners) have common interests with the top 1% and are too well compensated, often in stocks, i.e. ownership of the means of production to ever be on our side. They have a different agenda; thats who the Tea Party are. We do need a better class analysis to identify who our real, potential allies are mostly the working class and middle class. Were right about Wall St, the ruling class, but dont speak enough about the crucial position of the working class who ultimately have the power to shut it all down. Lets get a good radical economist to do a workshop with us.

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan David Acuff Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:38 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99

I don't fully get the 99% bit. 99% of what? Is the implication that the people making $250,000 a year are somehow exploited by those who make $350,000 a year? If that's the central message, I think it majorly lacks a class analysis. It's certainly useful to give percentages to demonstrate massive inequality, but it seems to also imply that the solution is to redistribute the wealth, not change system that creates the inequalities in the first place. I don't think you can tax away capitalism. I believe we need to democratize the economy. I think the 99% piece sounds inclusive, but weak as THE central message. but if I'm missing something let me know. As for rewriting the constitution, perhaps the group could draft a principles of unity that would be general enough and on still on target enough to be adopted by the GA. Ryan On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:03 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: yeah, agreed. perhaps it was a bit overreaching, the constitution bit.
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i still stand behind luis's idea though, and I hope someone will be able to raise it at the GA tomorrow. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't know if that's what happened in Spain, but it seems a little > premature and grandiose to be drafting a constitution at this point, given > that there are only a few hundred people occupying a small park in a single > city. Rather than trying to create a new society on such a miniscule basis, > our time might be better spent finding ways to connect with the everyday, > practical concerns of people facing the loss of their jobs, health care, > housing, retirement, quality education for their children, etc. In order to > have any shot at creating a new society, we need a LOT more people on board > than we have now (either in Zucotti Park specifically or in the movement as > a whole), and raising demands that connect with peoples' daily lives is the > best way to expand from a small, insular group of activists to a broad > movement - and that's the spirit that I understood Luis's proposal to be > made in. > > Doug > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:42 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen > <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> If I arrive in time tomorrow I will try to propose it at the General >> Assembly. When are they planning on holding the GA? >> >> I also plan on making a proposal that I think would be compatible with >> the image "rebranding" proposal: that we attempt to reframe our >> communication with the world by drafting a Constitution, a set of >> common values that could represent us and the society that we as a >> movement are trying to model-forth, rather than proposing "Demands" as >> we've been calling them. It's my understanding that this is what >> happened in Spain, with considerable success. >> >> OK! >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >> <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> > Yes, thanks! Let's make it #Wearethe99. >> > I'm in Philly working until Friday, would anyone propose this at the GA >> > tomorrow? >> > >> > On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:59 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >> > >> > unfortunately, the % doesnt work as a proper hashtag, what about a >> > slight >> > edit to #wearethe99 >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >

> <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >> Dear friends, >> It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and >> targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of >> the >> movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, >> due >> to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: >> the >> word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters, >> etc). >> If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, >> Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we >> don't >> act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just >> another >> activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive >> outreach >> campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. >> This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching >> for >> the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space >> in >> Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone >> form >> groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares, >> neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a >> clear >> message: >> "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all >> financial wealth. We are the 99%." >> "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing >> this >> situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd >> for >> the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us." >> What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even >> mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a >> really >> inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, >> let's become a real multitude! >> > > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:47:14 PM

I recently posted a message suggesting that we try to feed the hungry, but no one seems to have commented on it. If we have $6000, I would like to suggest the idea one more time. I feel it would amount tom putting our money where our mouth is.

On 09/20/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin Wedes has access to the account. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the front of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone home. Nobody else in my office is sympathetic to the occupation so I've got to be sneaky. Rock on, Jon On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Who can print flyers? We need thousands.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:23:03 PM

like like like On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: FYI, Lupe Fiasco also suggested the idea of feeding the homeless or donating food directly to the NYC food kitchen. Personally, I think this is smarter then making it known that you have so much money that you want to PAY people to come. Have a feed the homeless day, instead. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:11 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
And we're sure that offering food to people that can;t afford isn't a better idea?

On 09/20/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: So this is the twitter status with the right character count: Join us in #NYC? Tweet your reason 2 #iwilloccupy and the top 5 will get a FREE round-trip NYC & a sleeping bag upon arrival #takewallstreet and is this really happening? I would love to start promoting it... luv-p On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Also keep in mind all of our food is available to anyone who is at the camp, so people can always come here to eat. I'm just worried about allocating so much money while we're still building our "fundraising capabilities", in parenthesis because i laugh at even calling this awesome crowd-sourced spontaneous mess that. -justin On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Yoni Golijov wrote: Using the money to feed people who really need food is an excellent idea I think, I don't know how many of them are near wall st so it would require concentrated outreach work to soup kitchens and/or churchs where people normally go looking for food, / other thoughts? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:48 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: Are flyers really more important than feeding people?

Donate to the wall street occupation support@usdayofrage.org 347 640 0925 Paging Publius. #occupywallstreet has FLYER FUND. DONATEhttp://bit.ly/oo538N

On 09/20/11, Alexa D. O'Brien<alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

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I recently posted a message suggesting that we try to feed the hungry, but no one seems to have commented on it. If we have $6000, I would like to suggest the idea one more time. I feel it would amount tom putting our money where our mouth is.

On 09/20/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin Wedes has access to the account. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the front of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone home. Nobody else in my office is sympathetic to the occupation so I've got to be sneaky. Rock on, Jon On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Who can print flyers? We need thousands.

-alexaobrien@gmail.com www.alexaobrien.com

-yOni

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:22:23 PM

FYI, Lupe Fiasco also suggested the idea of feeding the homeless or donating food directly to the NYC food kitchen. Personally, I think this is smarter then making it known that you have so much money that you want to PAY people to come. Have a feed the homeless day, instead. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:11 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
And we're sure that offering food to people that can;t afford isn't a better idea?

On 09/20/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: So this is the twitter status with the right character count: Join us in #NYC? Tweet your reason 2 #iwilloccupy and the top 5 will get a FREE round-trip NYC & a sleeping bag upon arrival #takewallstreet and is this really happening? I would love to start promoting it... luv-p On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Also keep in mind all of our food is available to anyone who is at the camp, so people can always come here to eat. I'm just worried about allocating so much money while we're still building our "fundraising capabilities", in parenthesis because i laugh at even calling this awesome crowd-sourced spontaneous mess that. -justin On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Yoni Golijov wrote: Using the money to feed people who really need food is an excellent idea I think, I don't know how many of them are near wall st so it would require concentrated outreach work to soup kitchens and/or churchs where people normally go looking for food, / other thoughts? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:48 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: Are flyers really more important than feeding people?

Donate to the wall street occupation support@usdayofrage.org 347 640 0925 Paging Publius. #occupywallstreet has FLYER FUND. DONATEhttp://bit.ly/oo538N

On 09/20/11, Alexa D. O'Brien<alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: I recently posted a message suggesting that we try to feed the hungry, but no one seems to have commented on it. If we have $6000, I would like to suggest the idea one more time. I feel it would amount tom putting our money where our mouth is.

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On 09/20/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin Wedes has access to the account. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the front of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone home. Nobody else in my office is sympathetic to the occupation so I've got to be sneaky. Rock on, Jon On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Who can print flyers? We need thousands.

-alexaobrien@gmail.com www.alexaobrien.com

-yOni

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:44:38 PM

I might mention that Trinity Church (3 blocks from us). has free food available every day that is available to everyone, which includes the homeless, tourists, and regulars. Although I appreciate using our funds for a great cause, like feeding the homeless, it may not be the best use of our limited resources at the moment. Even though $6.000 may seem like a lot to us, it is not when we are talking about financing a sustainable movement. At the moment we need to be more focused on movement building and making sure we keep out eyes on the prize in supporting our effort to build a sustainable movement. I fully advocate for including and supporting the homeless, but also think that it would be great if we could act as a resource for the homeless by creating a list of agencies and sources that they can turn to for support in the event that they are not comfortable joining "Occupy Wall St."

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:22 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: like like like On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: FYI, Lupe Fiasco also suggested the idea of feeding the homeless or donating food directly to the NYC food kitchen. Personally, I think this is smarter then making it known tday t you have so much money that you want to PAY people to come. Have a feed the homeless day, instead. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:11 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
And we're sure that offering food to people that can;t afford isn't a better idea?

On 09/20/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: So this is the twitter status with the right character count: Join us in #NYC? Tweet your reason 2 #iwilloccupy and the top 5 will get a FREE round-trip NYC & a sleeping bag upon arrival #takewallstreet and is this really happening? I would love to start promoting it... luv-p On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Also keep in mind all of our food is available to anyone who is at the camp, so people can always come here to eat.

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I'm just worried about allocating so much money while we're still building our "fundraising capabilities", in parenthesis because i laugh at even calling this awesome crowd-sourced spontaneous mess that. -justin On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Yoni Golijov wrote: Using the money to feed people who really need food is an excellent idea I think, I don't know how many of them are near wall st so it would require concentrated outreach work to soup kitchens and/or churchs where people normally go looking for food, / other thoughts? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:48 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: Are flyers really more important than feeding people?

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On 09/20/11, Alexa D. O'Brien<alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: I recently posted a message suggesting that we try to feed the hungry, but no one seems to have commented on it. If we have $6000, I would like to suggest the idea one more time. I feel it would amount tom putting our money where our mouth is.

On 09/20/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin Wedes has access to the account. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the front of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone home. Nobody else in my office is sympathetic to the occupation so I've got to be sneaky. Rock on, Jon On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Who can print flyers? We need thousands.

-alexaobrien@gmail.com www.alexaobrien.com

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yOni

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:55:15 PM

excellent point. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: I might mention that Trinity Church (3 blocks from us). has free food available every day that is available to everyone, which includes the homeless, tourists, and regulars. Although I appreciate using our funds for a great cause, like feeding the homeless, it may not be the best use of our limited resources at the moment. Even though $6.000 may seem like a lot to us, it is not when we are talking about financing a sustainable movement. At the moment we need to be more focused on movement building and making sure we keep out eyes on the prize in supporting our effort to build a sustainable movement. I fully advocate for including and supporting the homeless, but also think that it would be great if we could act as a resource for the homeless by creating a list of agencies and sources that they can turn to for support in the event that they are not comfortable joining "Occupy Wall St."

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:22 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: like like like On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: FYI, Lupe Fiasco also suggested the idea of feeding the homeless or donating food directly to the NYC food kitchen. Personally, I think this is smarter then making it known tday t you have so much money that you want to PAY people to come. Have a feed the homeless day, instead. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:11 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
And we're sure that offering food to people that can;t afford isn't a better idea?

On 09/20/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: So this is the twitter status with the right character count: Join us in #NYC? Tweet your reason 2 #iwilloccupy and the top 5 will get a FREE round-trip NYC & a sleeping bag upon arrival #takewallstreet and is this really happening? I would love to start promoting it... luv-p
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On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Also keep in mind all of our food is available to anyone who is at the camp, so people can always come here to eat. I'm just worried about allocating so much money while we're still building our "fundraising capabilities", in parenthesis because i laugh at even calling this awesome crowd-sourced spontaneous mess that. -justin On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Yoni Golijov wrote: Using the money to feed people who really need food is an excellent idea I think, I don't know how many of them are near wall st so it would require concentrated outreach work to soup kitchens and/or churchs where people normally go looking for food, / other thoughts? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:48 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: Are flyers really more important than feeding people?

Donate to the wall street occupation support@usdayofrage.org 347 640 0925 Paging Publius. #occupywallstreet has FLYER FUND. DONATEhttp://bit.ly/oo538N

On 09/20/11, Alexa D. O'Brien<alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: I recently posted a message suggesting that we try to feed the hungry, but no one seems to have commented on it. If we have $6000, I would like to suggest the idea one more time. I feel it would amount tom putting our money where our mouth is.

On 09/20/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin Wedes has access to the account. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the front of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone home. Nobody else in my office is sympathetic to the occupation so I've got to be sneaky. Rock on, Jon On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Who can print flyers? We need thousands.

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-yOni

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:38:50 AM humanity.jpg

and regarding spending $ for flyers... .why not just have an EASY ONLINE WAY to MATCH PEOPLE UP.... basically match up people that NEED flyers with people who are willing to volunteer to PRINT flyers (OFFICE WORKERS, HOME OFFICE people, etc). that they've printed X amount of flyers and would say something like "come to X location to pick up"? simple solution that wouldn't deplete our funds. i feel that many people who are sympathetic to movement but can't make physically down to park to support would be willing to print flyers and have people pick them up from them. minimal amount of effort for the flyer donater.... minimal cost (subway fare) for someone in NEED OF FLYERS to go for pick-up. maybe the high quantity printing of rolls of small glossy water/tear resistant 3x3 STICKERS would be more effective use of $. if graphic/text is strong and effective, they could be distributed all over city in the thousands. see example... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > I recently posted a message suggesting that we try to feed the hungry, but > no one seems to have commented on it. If we have $6000, I would like to > suggest the idea one more time. I feel it would amount tom putting our > money where our mouth is. > > > On 09/20/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin Wedes has > access to the account. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the front >> of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone home. Nobody else >> in my office is sympathetic to the occupation so I've got to be sneaky. >> >> Rock on, >> Jon >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Who can print flyers? We need thousands. > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alexa D. O"Brien september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:50:34 PM

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On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

I recently posted a message suggesting that we try to feed the hungry, but no one seems to have commented on it. If we have $6000, I would like to suggest the idea one more time. I feel it would amount tom putting our money where our mouth is.

On 09/20/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin Wedes has access to the account. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the front of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone home. Nobody else in my office is sympathetic to the occupation so I've got to be sneaky. Rock on, Jon On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Who can print flyers? We need thousands.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] about you conversation with Harrison - clarification about "activist" imagery Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:16:15 PM

Many good points here. The GA should definitely be closer to either Broadway or Trinity place, so that passers by are draw in. Some kind of hard calendar at the site where working group meetings could be posted might help, as well as the online calander. (Many people have a penchant for secrecy which I think almost always hurts more than helps.) Using the curved stairs as seating seems obvious: it is a natural amphitheatre and the street is right behind it. While at the site it is very easy to get fixated on the internal workings and forget to do outreach to passersby. Signs must be always pointed out and people on watch for interested people to invite in. At the Sat GA a Sleep In group was created to work on that and other groups in support of that. The GA should delegate as much as possible to those groups, so it can concentrate on bigger issues.

On 09/21/11, Vicente Rubio<vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: Following what Luis pointed out, on a more concrete fashion, regarding specific issues I've seen at Liberty Square: - There is an urgent need for establishing a clear method for engaging people willing to work with us. I've seen many people coming over different days, and it was extremely difficult to direct them to a specific working group where they could contribute with their effort, skills and interests. I've been at Liberty Square everyday and I myself still don't have an exact idea about how many groups there are, how, where and when can I help, etc. Maybe it would be useful to set fixed meeting times for working groups (probably some of them are already working that way). It would also be useful to open email accounts for different working groups, especially those focused on issues external to the functioning of the camp, so new people can be directed to those email account for more information. - Establish and publicize open activities for public in general, not only for people in the camp. The 5-7pm slot would be great for opening a series of on-going activites (talks, discussions, etc.). There should be an events working group (or whatever you want to call it) to coordinate such activities. "openforum@occupywallstreet" would be a great name. These activities could be developed at the entrance of the park (using the stairs as seats, for instance), i.e. inviting people to join, listen and participate. I know some activities have been already programmed, which is great, I just think it would be great to systematize that process a bit. - Talking about the spatial disposition, the way the general assembly develops right now (with its back turned to the street) does not help to open a dialogue with people passing by, and speaks volumes of the kind of attitudes we are talking about. - Only one general assembly each day, allowing working groups to develop further work. The GA would be then more focused on actually deciding on issues brought there by the working groups. The working groups would have more time to meet and work. Also, I've sensed that a lot of very specific issues concerning everyday organization of the camp take a lot of GA time. I profoundly admire the sacrifice and effort of those who are staying there, but the political body we are building is not only composed by them. There are people that can only contribute from the distance, or spend just a few hours there every day, and would like to participate in discussions focused on aspects related with life outside the camp. This is by no means a criticism to the facilitation team, which is doing an amazing job. In a general sense, I think these and many other initiatives would help to strengthen the idea that we are actually producing, offering something from Liberty Square to other newyorkers. Following what Luis said, this is extremely important if we want to help building a broader movement.

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Sorry for the long email (and my English!). Please disregard if all this is redundant. I'm sure many of you have already thought about all this, and/or are already working on these things. I've thought about sharing all this with the GA, but every time I've been there there are other discussions going on. If you think any of this suggestions is ok, I could present them to the GA tonight. I would gladly help on that events coordination group. Please let me knwo if ther is already people working on that, or how can we get it started. See you soon, Vicente. 2011/9/21 Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> Dear Micah, Please allow me to take a minute of your time in this exciting days. I'm a member of Democracia Real Ya-NYC and participant in the NYC-GA. Adbusters has done a great job and I'm so thankful for you guys starting #OccupyWallStreet. It is true though that for some of us the activist imagery you sometimes use (such us in the background of the ballerina poster) seems in risk of somewhat closing the movement to other people. From our experience in May 15th movement in Spain, one of the most important things was that people who had never been involved in politics or activism joined. This, I think is actually the distinctive feature of tha Arab Spring and European assembly movements: they are inclusive in their discourse, their imagery, and their materiality. This is why some of us in the movement are trying to push for a more open direction, and we actually are putting out a call for next Saturday that we think would be more attractive for people outside our still too homogeneous crowd right now. It would be really great if Adbusters agrees with this analysis and help us distributing this flyers, or making your own. Thanks a lot and solidarity!

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ellen Davidson september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] credit unions Monday, September 19, 2011 9:11:11 AM

The Lower East Side Peoples Federal Credit Union (lespfcu.org) was begun in the 70s when that neighborhood was being redlined by the banks (an illegal practice of drawing a red line around low-income neighborhoods on the map and denying all loan applications from those areas). It is still very community based and offers checking and savings accounts for $5 membership fee per year. Ellen

On 09/19/11, Luis Moreno-Caballud<morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: I'm part of a credit union and be supporting this campaign: http://moveyourmoneyproject.org/ Please spread the word! Also, Drew, it would be wonderful if you could put a map showing where's Zucotti park on the website, people keeps telling me that they had trouble to figure out where the "camp" is... thanks! solidarity! On Sep 19, 2011, at 5:21 AM, Drew Hornbein wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone part of a credit union? How can I protest the banks when in my wallet rests the JP Morgan & Chase corporate logo? This would be a good opportunity for credit unions to recruit members. Solidarity.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 5:27:16 PM

You guys are brilliant! The world gives you champagne snogs and you make sparkling apple juice.

On 09/23/11, Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Report back - we went with suits on and silver platters, but there were no champagners to be found... Still did our shtick :) Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 23, 2011, at 4:36 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: Sounds like Billionaires for Bush to me ;) marvel at how droll their dry sarcasm is. Even if it s not we should tell everyone it is and

On 09/23/11, J Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: very possible that its creative street theatre. in any case, i'm tweeting it!!! -j On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:14 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: uberlike :)

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:12 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah we wouldn't want those handcuffs to be uncomfortable.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:10 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Let's hope that the open container arrests go smoothly-- I just rsvpd and encouraged them to bring as much champagne as possible,

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: This is the Facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=127034944063832

On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:57 AM, grimwomyn wrote:

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Yeah the open container law alone will get him scooped up. Did you read the comments? Hilarious even gawker readers think he sucks. On Sep 23, 2011 9:55 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Presumably they will be arrested for drinking on the street. > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Snobby Illiterati to Protest Wall St. Hippies With Champagne Toast >> >> >> http://gawker.com/5843209/snobby-illiteraterati-to-protest-wall-sthippies-with-champagne-toast >> >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 >> >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 4:36:45 PM

Sounds like Billionaires for Bush to me ;) their dry sarcasm is.

Even if it s not we should tell everyone it is and marvel at how droll

On 09/23/11, J Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: very possible that its creative street theatre. in any case, i'm tweeting it!!! -j On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:14 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: uberlike :)

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:12 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah we wouldn't want those handcuffs to be uncomfortable.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:10 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Let's hope that the open container arrests go smoothly-- I just rsvpd and encouraged them to bring as much champagne as possible,

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: This is the Facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=127034944063832

On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:57 AM, grimwomyn wrote: Yeah the open container law alone will get him scooped up. Did you read the comments? Hilarious even gawker readers think he sucks. On Sep 23, 2011 9:55 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Presumably they will be arrested for drinking on the street. > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Snobby Illiterati to Protest Wall St. Hippies With Champagne Toast >> >> >> http://gawker.com/5843209/snobby-illiteraterati-to-protest-wall-st-hippies-withchampagne-toast >> >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 >> >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands and banks Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:08:16 PM

Agreed. On Sep 22, 2011 7:00 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands and banks Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:25:34 PM

I think 'abolish capitalism' would be self defeating as demand. A majority of the 99% has no interest in abolishing capitalism, and such a statement would be used to marginalize us. In the long run I would like to abolish capitalism, but the world cannot wait for that before more pressing problems get solved. Let's take the legs out of giant coporations first, so we can get people back to work, get people healthcare, have a functioning democracy and in general turn the conversation the world is having from more and more austerity to a sustainable world. If you really want to try to abolish capitalism right now, I would suggest joining the Tea Party and pushing capitalism toward as many terrible crisis that you can make, so that revolution comes. But I have no faith that revolution would do anything accept make arms dealers and the violent richer than ever. I know that many of you think that working within the system at all is a mistake, and I can't blame you, but my goal is for real people to take control of the system and to slowly change it so that it helps everyone. Consensus takes a long time to build. Let's not try to take short cuts to our ultimate goal of a human race generous enough that it can live together without greed and violence. In Solidarity, John McGloin On 09/22/11, Micah White<micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Hi everyone, I like the spirit of what Mellow is saying -- the development of a liberated space is wonderful. However, let's also acknowledge that our liberated space is being subsidized and funded in a major financial way by radicals all over the world. People are paying for this occupation, not because they want us to all hang out in a camp and get media attention but because they want this to be the start of an American revolution. The GA minutes say that a working group came up with the following mission statement "we are a collection of people with diverse beliefs using a direct democratic process in a GA open to the public to discuss, find solutions, and mobilize ourselves to create a better tomorrow." Sounds wonderful -- but, if we want to "find solutions" then it is time to tell the world what those solutions are. If the solution is "abolish capitalism" then the GA must also articulate a way to get there. Let's put aside the "one demand" question for now. Maybe it would help to think of "stopgap measures". In other words, what can we ask for *right now* that would immediately alleviate some of the problems with capitalism, and thereby get the nation on our side? How do we put our GA in a leadership position? We could demand, for example, (as someone else suggested) an immediate halt on all foreclosures. Or an immediate forgiveness of consumer debt (as David Graeber put forward). My point is that if we want the GA to be a model for people's democracy, then the GA must be able to show itself able to put forward a vision of the new world and how to get there. We don't have infinite time -- eventually people will stop sending money, eventually it will start snowing. Micah

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On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Free Folks, This is a pretty radical proposal but I am gonna put it out there. No demands. Instead, we will live and practice and be the change we want to see. Our only "demand" is an invitation to all New Yorkers, all US citizens, and perhaps all peoples around the world living under corrupt, exploitative, violent and oppressive political or economic systems to JOIN US. Anyone who feel disenfranchised, voiceless, or lacks basic human rights or liberties should JOIN US. Anyone who wants to have a planet that will continue to sustain life should JOIN US. Liberty Plaza, quite simply, is a liberated zone, and we are forming a new government in opposition to the dominant systems. We are practicing direct participatory democracy, and we INVITE YOU TO JOIN US! The logical conclusion is admittedly a polarizing, but if Libyan "rebels" can claim to be legitimate government of that state, why can't we lay claim to a new legitimacy? We are a new state that explicitly rejects violence. I appreciate any responses or feedback on this suggestion. Mellow Yellow

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:48 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: I loved the chant at Copenhagen - System Change not Climate Change. Growth is not sustainable on a finite earth. We need to find new measures of quality of life if we are going to survive.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:22 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah, I don't know that we even need to get too specific on the demands as the OWS effort has started people from all over the country talking about corporate control in their lives, and they are starting to wake up and recognize how it is inherently injurious. If we are truly here for the people, I think that informing on all the reasons corporate influence is damaging to society is a great start -- and it is not necessarily up to us to frame what the answers should be, we do have elected officials, we just need to shout and scream until they start examining options that will really help us. The lowering of interest rates by the Fed is useless to the rest of us. It is not systemic, what we really need to be pushing is the language of systemic change, what is being offered presently is business as usual to help the usual. I'm not sure we would even know what real change looks like... so reaching out to visionaries like Bernie Sanders and others will help that conversation along. The one demand? Try something like: ending corporate control, leave it open, not specific, so it can be debated by all. IMHO of course-- happy rainy thursday

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:30 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Bravo Snafu for this:

corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy.
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> wrote:

Hey all,
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Hope all are well on the questions of demands. Things suggested in the other email below require congressional action. It might be great to ask the GA some questions like do you know anyone who has lost their home, or do they come from a city that is losing needed services or do they know anyone in debt. These might get you to some other possible demands. Things that Wall Street can do immediately if there was political will

stop foreclosure keep millions in their homes

- stop bankrupting states and cities renegotiate debt at lower interest rates save public services drop student debt, forgive all loans stop excessive fees, et

Banks touch every aspect of our lives. From student loans to housing morgages, from banks to credit cards to debt cards, to food stamps,

Just some thoughts Peace, Lisa

SEE BELOW 1: draft old flier 2: JP Morgan fact sheet

This is a draft of a flier I once worked on but never finished. Wanted to show how the big banks affect us. With a bit more research you can tell a compelling story why the things above should happen

JP MORGAN CHASE BANK AFFECTS: Home owners: through mortgages and loans, refusing to negotiate on foreclosures, redlining in communities, leaving communities vacant and blithe, refusing to reduce principle, dealing with homes worth less now then is owed aka underwater

Renters: if a house is foreclosed and you rent, you are out, you have no rights

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Military Personal:. More than 20,000 veterans, reservists and active-duty troops lost the homes to foreclosure in 2010, the highest number since 2003. JPMorgan Chase illegally overcharged 4,000 active service members for their mortgages improperly foreclosing on a number of them.

Students: college loans are now from banks not the government, high interest rates, loading kids out with credit cards, monopolizing debt card use, fees for card use and the list goes on.

Consumers: Credit card offers, new deals, hidden fees and high interest rates, penalties

Poor People: JP provides the debit cards for 43 million Americans on food stamps and gets a cut for each use

Bank Workers: opposing the right to a union

Small Businesses: Charging high fees for credit card use.

Utility Users: JP lobbyist are working hard to drive up the cost of home heating fuel to up their investments in dirty energy. Public Citizen has a campaign

Health: Funding the Tobacco Industry, funding, investing in fossil fuel extraction Community Development: Farmers

War JP invests in munitions http://www.banktrack.org/show/bankprofiles/jpmorgan_chase

JPMORGAN CHASE
Federal taxpayer bailout funds received:[1] Profits for the years 1996-2010: Profits since bailout (2009-2010): $100.7 billion[i] $153.5 billion[ii] $29.1

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billion[iii] 2010 bank account fees: 2010 credit card fee income: Chase bank teller wage:[2] ($22,391/year)[vi] 2010 CEO Jamie Dimon total pay: 2010 CEO Jamie Dimon bonus: Projected annual dividend for CEO Jamie Dimon: 2010 bonuses and compensation: $4.7 billion[iv] $5.9 billion[v] $10.77/hour $20.8 million[vii] $19.2 million[viii] $6 million[ix] $28.4 billion [x]

Bonuses and compensation for top 5 execs last 10 years:[3] $804.2 million[xi] Homes in foreclosure in lending or servicing portfolio: Offshore subsidiaries in tax havens:[4] Lobbying expenses since bailout (2009-2010): Political contributions in 2008 & 2010 federal elections:[5] $74.0 billion[xii] 53[xiii] $15.7 million[xiv] $9.7 million[xv]

FORECLOSURE CRISIS
Foreclosure Leader. As of June 2010, JPMorgan Chase had $19.5 billion worth of foreclosed homes on its booksmore than any other bank in the country. Another $54.5 billion of mortgages that the bank services for other lenders was also in foreclosure.[xvi] Foreclosure Fraud. JPMorgan Chase employees admitted to signing 18,000 foreclosure documents per month without reviewing the information in each file to ensure that the bank had a legal right to proceed with foreclosure.[xvii] The bank was forced to stop foreclosures in 41 states as a result of the robo-signing scandal,[xviii] which also led Attorneys General in all 50 states to launch investigations into foreclosure fraud. Subprime Lending. JPMorgan Chase had a hand in the worst of the subprime lending excesses, providing financing to the nations two largest subprime lenders, Countrywide and Ameriquest, which allowed them to originate subprime loans. JPMorgan Chase also owned a major subprime lender and has acquired two banks that had large subprime operations. Together, these firms issued over $295.3 billion in subprime loans from 20052007.[xix] Loan Modifications. Despite large incentives from taxpayers, as of

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January 2011, JPMorgan Chase had given permanent mortgage modifications to only 42% of its homeowners who are still eligible for the Obama Administrations Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP). The bank had rejected 354,822 families from HAMP, almost as many as Bank of America (193,231) and Wells Fargo (172,278) combined.[xx] Exploiting Military Members. JPMorgan Chase overcharged 4,500 military members on their mortgages and improperly foreclosed on 18 of them. Once the issue came under Congressional scrutiny, the bank announced it would take steps to correct the problems.[xxi] Predatory Lending. From 2006 through 2009, JPMorgan Chase (and mortgage lenders it has since acquired) was more than twice as likely to put African-American and Latino borrowers into higher-cost, subprime loans than white borrowers. Furthermore, while mortgage lending to white borrowers only dropped 11% between 2006 and 2009, it dropped 51% for African-American borrowers and 63% for Latinos.[xxii]

PUBLIC BUDGET CRISES


Interest rate swaps. JPMorgan Chase had to pay a $722 million fine to settle charges that it illegally paid off officials in Jefferson County, Alabama to secure interest rate swap deals that drove the county to the brink of bankruptcy.[xxiii] Across the country, the bank is gouging state and local governments for more than $200 million a year on swap deals.[xxiv] JPMorgan Chase sold governments these deals as a way to save money, but instead they have become a goldmine for the bank following the bailout, which is able to rake in millions at taxpayer expense. Letters of credit. JPMorgan Chase is squeezing state and local governments by making it tougher for them to renew letters of credit, a form of bond insurance that many cities and states need to keep bond interest rates from spiking up.[xxv] Predatory loans to government. JPMorgan Chase is making a profit by lending taxpayers their own money. Even though the bank has access to ultra-cheap loans from the Federal Reserve, speculated to be as low as 0.5%, JPMorgan Chase is manipulating government budget processes and charging local and state governments much higher interest rates. For instance, when Philadelphia was in a budget pinch in fall 2009, instead of passing the 0.5% interest rate onto taxpayers, the bank offered the city a 3% bridge loan that would reset to 8% if it wasnt paid off in a few months.[xxvi] Auction-rate securities. After promoting auction-rate securities to local and state government borrowers as a low-risk, low-cost source of financing, JPMorgan Chase and other banks pulled their support for the market in early 2008, causing auctions to fail and leading to interest rates as
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high as 20% for government borrowers. Then the banks charged local and state governments at least $1 billion in fees to convert their auction-rate bonds to safer forms of debt, enriching JPMorgan Chase & Co., Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and the rest of Wall Street that let the market fall apart, according to Bloomberg.[xxvii]

JOBS CRISIS
Small business lending. Even though the bailout was intended to get banks to start lending again to stimulate the economy and spur job creation, JPMorgan Chases bailout did not translate into new credit for small businesses. In fact, the bank made 18,699 loans through the Small Business Administrations flagship 7(a) program in the two years before the bailout, and made only 4,636 loans into the two years sincea 75% decline. Meanwhile, the bank had $1.48 billion in outstanding insider loans to bank directors and their companies as of March 2009, more than any other bank.[xxviii]

Unemployment debit cards. Several states use JPMorgan Chase debit cards to pay out unemployment and/or TANF benefits. The bank takes advantage of Americans who have fallen on hard times by skimming fees off of their accounts. For example, in Michigan benefit recipients have to pay $4 if they go to a bank teller to withdraw money from their accounts more than once per pay period or $1 if they check their balance more than once per period.[xxix]

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Singsen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:23 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle

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for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice

This is exactly what we need. Who wants to propose this in the GA? Unfortunately I'll be out of town for a week starting tomorrow so I can't do it myself. Doug S

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth.

2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hoodtax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page.

a law regulating the bank system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act
As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act,

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3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddlingthe-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social
movement is much more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu

[1] Includes bailouts that the bank has paid back. [2] 25 th percentile is $9.98 per hour and 75 th percentile is $11.55 per hour. $10.77 per hour is average of the two. [3] 2000-2009 [4] Includes 50 JPMorgan Chase subsidiaries and 3 Washington Mutual subsidiaries.
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[5] Includes contributions made by the bank's political action committee and its employees in the 2008 and 2010 federal election cycles. Includes JPMorgan Chase and Bear Stearns.

[i] http://nomiprins.squarespace.com/storage/bailouttallyoct2010.pdf [ii] Capital IQ. [iii] Capital IQ. [iv] http://www.ffiec.gov/nicpubweb/NICDataCache/FRY9C/FRY9C_1039502_20101231.PDF, Item
5(b), Service Charges on Deposits.

[v] Capital IQ. [vi] http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Bank_Teller/Hourly_Rate/by_Employer


[vii] [viii]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704101604576249092228969996.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704101604576249092228969996.html

[ix] http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/business/17dividend.html [x] Capital IQ. [xi] Capital IQ. [xii] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703440004575548403873382036.html?
KEYWORDS=%22home+loans+in+foreclosure%22

[xiii] GAO-09-157, INTERNATIONAL TAXATION: Large U.S. Corporations and Federal Contractors with Subsidiaries in Jurisdictions Listed as Tax Havens or Financial Privacy Jurisdictions, Government Accountability Office, Dec 2008. [xiv] OpenSecrets.org

[xv] OpenSecrets.org
[xvi] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703440004575548403873382036.html? KEYWORDS=%22home+loans+in+foreclosure%22 [xvii] http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jQnJ6629VrT7NvyO5KrMgEvvIygD9IHSPSG0?docId=D9IHSPSG0

[xviii] http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/18/business/18foreclosure.html

[xix] http://www.publicintegrity.org/investigations/economic_meltdown/the_subprime_25/ [xx] http://www.treasury.gov/initiatives/financial-stability/results/MHAReports/Documents/Jan_2011_MHA_Report_FINAL.PDF [xxi] http://www.americanbanker.com//bulletins/-1033032-1.html [xxii] Based on data from the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act Database. [xxiii] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/04/AR2009110404582.html [xxiv] Based on SEIU analysis of Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports of more than 75 public
entities across the country.

[xxv] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704062604576106282512683312.html?

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mod=ITP_moneyandinvesting_0

[xxvi] http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-

phillydeals/JPMorgan_offers_Philly_emergency_cash_-_at_a_price.html

[xxvii] http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=axksyBiC6q78
[xxviii] http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2009/03/banks_lend_heavily_to_insiders.html [xxix] http://www.michigan.gov/documents/uia/Fee_schedule_FINAL_236570_7.pdf

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From: To: Subject: Date:

september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands and banks Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:01:03 PM

I personaly don't feel comfortable with the idea that we are trying to replace the government. We need the 99% on our side and about 90% of them want improvement in their lives, not wholesale replacement of the US govt.

On 09/22/11, Mellow Yellow<disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Free Folks, This is a pretty radical proposal but I am gonna put it out there. No demands. Instead, we will live and practice and be the change we want to see. Our only "demand" is an invitation to all New Yorkers, all US citizens, and perhaps all peoples around the world living under corrupt, exploitative, violent and oppressive political or economic systems to JOIN US. Anyone who feel dis-enfranchised, voiceless, or lacks basic human rights or liberties should JOIN US. Anyone who wants to have a planet that will continue to sustain life should JOIN US. Liberty Plaza, quite simply, is a liberated zone, and we are forming a new government in opposition to the dominant systems. We are practicing direct participatory democracy, and we INVITE YOU TO JOIN US! The logical conclusion is admittedly a polarizing, but if Libyan "rebels" can claim to be legitimate government of that state, why can't we lay claim to a new legitimacy? We are a new state that explicitly rejects violence. I appreciate any responses or feedback on this suggestion. Mellow Yellow On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:48 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: I loved the chant at Copenhagen - System Change not Climate Change. Growth is not sustainable on a finite earth. We need to find new measures of quality of life if we are going to survive.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:22 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah, I don't know that we even need to get too specific on the demands as the OWS effort has started people from all over the country talking about corporate control in their lives, and they are starting to wake up and recognize how it is inherently injurious. If we are truly here for the people, I think that informing on all the reasons corporate influence is damaging to society is a great start -- and it is not necessarily up to us to frame what the answers should be, we do have elected officials, we just need to shout and scream until they start examining options that will really help us. The lowering of interest rates by the Fed is useless to the rest of us. It is not systemic, what we really need to be pushing is the language of systemic change, what is being offered presently is business as usual to help the usual. I'm not sure we would even know what real change looks like... so reaching out to visionaries like Bernie Sanders and others will help that conversation along. The one demand? Try something like: ending corporate control, leave it open, not specific, so it can be debated by all. IMHO of course-- happy rainy thursday

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On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:30 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Bravo Snafu for this:

corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy.
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> wrote:

Hey all, Hope all are well on the questions of demands. Things suggested in the other email below require congressional action. It might be great to ask the GA some questions like do you know anyone who has lost their home, or do they come from a city that is losing needed services or do they know anyone in debt. These might get you to some other possible demands. Things that Wall Street can do immediately if there was political will

stop foreclosure keep millions in their homes

- stop bankrupting states and cities renegotiate debt at lower interest rates save public services drop student debt, forgive all loans stop excessive fees, et

Banks touch every aspect of our lives. From student loans to housing morgages, from banks to credit cards to debt cards, to food stamps,

Just some thoughts Peace, Lisa

SEE BELOW 1: draft old flier 2: JP Morgan fact sheet

This is a draft of a flier I once worked on but never finished. Wanted to show how the big banks affect us. With a bit more research you can tell a compelling story why the things above should happen

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JP MORGAN CHASE BANK AFFECTS: Home owners: through mortgages and loans, refusing to negotiate on foreclosures, redlining in communities, leaving communities vacant and blithe, refusing to reduce principle, dealing with homes worth less now then is owed aka underwater

Renters: if a house is foreclosed and you rent, you are out, you have no rights

Military Personal:. More than 20,000 veterans, reservists and active-duty troops lost the homes to foreclosure in 2010, the highest number since 2003. JPMorgan Chase illegally overcharged 4,000 active service members for their mortgages improperly foreclosing on a number of them.

Students: college loans are now from banks not the government, high interest rates, loading kids out with credit cards, monopolizing debt card use, fees for card use and the list goes on.

Consumers: Credit card offers, new deals, hidden fees and high interest rates, penalties

Poor People: JP provides the debit cards for 43 million Americans on food stamps and gets a cut for each use

Bank Workers: opposing the right to a union

Small Businesses: Charging high fees for credit card use.

Utility Users: JP lobbyist are working hard to drive up the cost of home heating fuel to up their investments in dirty energy. Public Citizen has a campaign

Health: Funding the Tobacco Industry, funding, investing in fossil fuel extraction Community Development: Farmers

War JP invests in munitions http://www.banktrack.org/show/bankprofiles/jpmorgan_chase

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JPMORGAN CHASE
Federal taxpayer bailout funds received:[1] Profits for the years 1996-2010: Profits since bailout (2009-2010): 2010 bank account fees: 2010 credit card fee income: Chase bank teller wage:[2] ($22,391/year)[vi] 2010 CEO Jamie Dimon total pay: 2010 CEO Jamie Dimon bonus: Projected annual dividend for CEO Jamie Dimon: 2010 bonuses and compensation: $100.7 billion[i] $153.5 billion[ii] $29.1 billion[iii] $4.7 billion[iv] $5.9 billion[v] $10.77/hour $20.8 million[vii] $19.2 million[viii] $6 million[ix] $28.4 billion [x]

Bonuses and compensation for top 5 execs last 10 years:[3] $804.2 million[xi] Homes in foreclosure in lending or servicing portfolio: Offshore subsidiaries in tax havens:[4] Lobbying expenses since bailout (2009-2010): Political contributions in 2008 & 2010 federal elections:[5] $74.0 billion[xii] 53[xiii] $15.7 million[xiv] $9.7 million[xv]

FORECLOSURE CRISIS
Foreclosure Leader. As of June 2010, JPMorgan Chase had $19.5 billion worth of foreclosed homes on its booksmore than any other bank in the country. Another $54.5 billion of mortgages that the bank services for other lenders was also in foreclosure.[xvi] Foreclosure Fraud. JPMorgan Chase employees admitted to signing 18,000 foreclosure documents per month without reviewing the information in each file to ensure that the bank had a legal right to proceed with foreclosure.[xvii] The bank was forced to stop foreclosures in 41 states as a result of the robo-signing scandal,[xviii] which also led Attorneys General in all 50 states to launch investigations into foreclosure fraud. Subprime Lending. JPMorgan Chase had a hand in the worst of the

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subprime lending excesses, providing financing to the nations two largest subprime lenders, Countrywide and Ameriquest, which allowed them to originate subprime loans. JPMorgan Chase also owned a major subprime lender and has acquired two banks that had large subprime operations. Together, these firms issued over $295.3 billion in subprime loans from 2005-2007.[xix] Loan Modifications. Despite large incentives from taxpayers, as of January 2011, JPMorgan Chase had given permanent mortgage modifications to only 42% of its homeowners who are still eligible for the Obama Administrations Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP). The bank had rejected 354,822 families from HAMP, almost as many as Bank of America (193,231) and Wells Fargo (172,278) combined.[xx] Exploiting Military Members. JPMorgan Chase overcharged 4,500 military members on their mortgages and improperly foreclosed on 18 of them. Once the issue came under Congressional scrutiny, the bank announced it would take steps to correct the problems.[xxi] Predatory Lending. From 2006 through 2009, JPMorgan Chase (and mortgage lenders it has since acquired) was more than twice as likely to put African-American and Latino borrowers into higher-cost, subprime loans than white borrowers. Furthermore, while mortgage lending to white borrowers only dropped 11% between 2006 and 2009, it dropped 51% for African-American borrowers and 63% for Latinos.[xxii]

PUBLIC BUDGET CRISES


Interest rate swaps. JPMorgan Chase had to pay a $722 million fine to settle charges that it illegally paid off officials in Jefferson County, Alabama to secure interest rate swap deals that drove the county to the brink of bankruptcy.[xxiii] Across the country, the bank is gouging state and local governments for more than $200 million a year on swap deals.[xxiv] JPMorgan Chase sold governments these deals as a way to save money, but instead they have become a goldmine for the bank following the bailout, which is able to rake in millions at taxpayer expense. Letters of credit. JPMorgan Chase is squeezing state and local governments by making it tougher for them to renew letters of credit, a form of bond insurance that many cities and states need to keep bond interest rates from spiking up.[xxv] Predatory loans to government. JPMorgan Chase is making a profit by lending taxpayers their own money. Even though the bank has access to ultra-cheap loans from the Federal Reserve, speculated to be as low as 0.5%, JPMorgan Chase is manipulating government budget processes and charging local and state governments much higher interest rates. For instance, when Philadelphia was in a budget pinch in fall 2009, instead of passing the 0.5%
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interest rate onto taxpayers, the bank offered the city a 3% bridge loan that would reset to 8% if it wasnt paid off in a few months.[xxvi] Auction-rate securities. After promoting auction-rate securities to local and state government borrowers as a low-risk, low-cost source of financing, JPMorgan Chase and other banks pulled their support for the market in early 2008, causing auctions to fail and leading to interest rates as high as 20% for government borrowers. Then the banks charged local and state governments at least $1 billion in fees to convert their auction-rate bonds to safer forms of debt, enriching JPMorgan Chase & Co., Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and the rest of Wall Street that let the market fall apart, according to Bloomberg.[xxvii]

JOBS CRISIS
Small business lending. Even though the bailout was intended to get banks to start lending again to stimulate the economy and spur job creation, JPMorgan Chases bailout did not translate into new credit for small businesses. In fact, the bank made 18,699 loans through the Small Business Administrations flagship 7(a) program in the two years before the bailout, and made only 4,636 loans into the two years sincea 75% decline. Meanwhile, the bank had $1.48 billion in outstanding insider loans to bank directors and their companies as of March 2009, more than any other bank.[xxviii]

Unemployment debit cards. Several states use JPMorgan Chase debit cards to pay out unemployment and/or TANF benefits. The bank takes advantage of Americans who have fallen on hard times by skimming fees off of their accounts. For example, in Michigan benefit recipients have to pay $4 if they go to a bank teller to withdraw money from their accounts more than once per pay period or $1 if they check their balance more than once per period.[xxix]

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From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Singsen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:23 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice

This is exactly what we need. Who wants to propose this in the GA? Unfortunately I'll be out of town for a week starting tomorrow so I can't do it myself. Doug S

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth.

a law regulating the bank system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act
As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act,

2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hoodtax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works

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and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stopcoddling-the-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social
movement is much more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu

[1] Includes bailouts that the bank has paid back. [2] 25 th percentile is $9.98 per hour and 75 th percentile is $11.55 per hour. $10.77 per hour is average of the two. [3] 2000-2009

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[4] Includes 50 JPMorgan Chase subsidiaries and 3 Washington Mutual subsidiaries. [5] Includes contributions made by the bank's political action committee and its employees in the 2008 and 2010 federal election cycles. Includes JPMorgan Chase and Bear Stearns.

[i] http://nomiprins.squarespace.com/storage/bailouttallyoct2010.pdf [ii] Capital IQ. [iii] Capital IQ. [iv] http://www.ffiec.gov/nicpubweb/NICDataCache/FRY9C/FRY9C_1039502_20101231.PDF, Item 5(b),
Service Charges on Deposits.

[v] Capital IQ. [vi] http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Bank_Teller/Hourly_Rate/by_Employer


[vii] [viii]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704101604576249092228969996.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704101604576249092228969996.html

[ix] http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/business/17dividend.html [x] Capital IQ. [xi] Capital IQ. [xii] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703440004575548403873382036.html?
KEYWORDS=%22home+loans+in+foreclosure%22

[xiii] GAO-09-157, INTERNATIONAL TAXATION: Large U.S. Corporations and Federal Contractors with Subsidiaries in Jurisdictions Listed as Tax Havens or Financial Privacy Jurisdictions, Government Accountability Office, Dec 2008. [xiv] OpenSecrets.org

[xv] OpenSecrets.org
[xvi] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703440004575548403873382036.html? KEYWORDS=%22home+loans+in+foreclosure%22 [xvii] http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jQnJ6629VrT7NvyO5KrMgEvvIygD9IHSPSG0?docId=D9IHSPSG0

[xviii] http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/18/business/18foreclosure.html

[xix] http://www.publicintegrity.org/investigations/economic_meltdown/the_subprime_25/ [xx] http://www.treasury.gov/initiatives/financial-stability/results/MHAReports/Documents/Jan_2011_MHA_Report_FINAL.PDF [xxi] http://www.americanbanker.com//bulletins/-1033032-1.html [xxii] Based on data from the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act Database. [xxiii] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/04/AR2009110404582.html [xxiv] Based on SEIU analysis of Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports of more than 75 public
entities across the country.

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[xxv] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704062604576106282512683312.html?
mod=ITP_moneyandinvesting_0

[xxvi] http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-

phillydeals/JPMorgan_offers_Philly_emergency_cash_-_at_a_price.html

[xxvii] http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=axksyBiC6q78
[xxviii] http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2009/03/banks_lend_heavily_to_insiders.html [xxix] http://www.michigan.gov/documents/uia/Fee_schedule_FINAL_236570_7.pdf

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:59:46 PM

+1

On 09/24/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, simple, broad and not demands but goals. Cesar On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: I think if we use demands at all we need to be focused on simple, clear demands that will enlarge our ranks. The house/senate wont pass anything even remotely looking like a change in wealth distribution, the Obama administration bends over backwards to appease the bi-partisan banks, the Supreme Court declares that proof of innocence is insufficient cause for a stay of execution, and the media will always distort and misrepresent, either through malice or incompetence. Thus, any sort of wonky policy demand that speaks only to the already politically active is unproductive and serves to marginalize and entrench the protest into a pre-exiting middle-class protest community. The government will give us nothing, we need to build the numbers to take... The only positive function of demands is solidarity and recruitment: the simpler, broader and more universal, the better.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: ...true, true...so, what would be your positive contribution or rearangement of priorities? be constructive. Cesar

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: And nothing gets the blood of the people stirring like a call to reinstate Glass-Steagall. Yup, I can see it now, the media suddenly exploding with coverage, the ramparts filling with the oppressed and underrepresented: "They've called for the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall! Quickly, comrades, to arms! To arms! For Glass Steagall!"

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: Glass-Steagall would bust up the "too big to fail" banks, let the speculators rot, as they should, and protect the small savings and loan banks, which means people's savings, mortgages, there would be hope for pension funds, etc. In other words, Glass-Steagall would bankrupt Wall Street -- it's not the whole recovery, but it IS the first step to protecting the PEOPLE, and making it possible to think long-term about radical things we used to do, like water management, rail building etc. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely
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ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth.

2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hoodtax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddlingthe-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they
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a law regulating the bank system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act
As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act,

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could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social
movement is much more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu

-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:56:39 PM

I would avoid the term "manifesto" since it has many negative conotations with average Americans.

On 09/20/11, Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed we need to do it. Perhaps it could be more like a "manifesto" though than just a list of demands. -j On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Doug Singsen wrote: This is exactly what we need. Who wants to propose this in the GA? Unfortunately I'll be out of town for a week starting tomorrow so I can't do it myself. Doug S

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth.

2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international
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a law regulating the bank system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act
1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act,

As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been:

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level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robinhood-tax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stopcoddling-the-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social movement is much more than a set of demands yet
demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation
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per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] proposal: Open Letter to America Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:51:43 PM

How about a more general "solve the forclosure crisis"

On 09/22/11, Jon Good<therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I'm in favor of stopping all foreclosures and forgiving all loans. The folks who took out those mortgages and loans were hoodwinked and encouraged by banks who deliberately misled them regardless of whether they're old or sick or whatever.*

*The banks loaned money to folks who they knew couldn't pay it back, then they turned the contracts for repayments into bonds (called mortgage-backed securities) and sold them to poor saps who believed they were buying AAA-rated safe retirement investments. The banks screwed people on both sides of the deal and made a bunch of money off of it. And they're still doing it.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:54 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Excellent. Do you know some local enviro groups or existing campaigns who we could would assist...?

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > What about "stop the taxpayer subsidies to dirty fuels and support clean > sources of energy"? Let us not forget that this financial crisis is simply > the result of overpopulation, unsustainable resource extraction, climate > catastrophes, and pollution. > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:47 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> yes. Next week, we can have a targeted action to frame that concept. >> one day next week... a great chance to involve NYCC and many >> others..... >> >> in fact, having a direct action around a different >> concept/issue/demand each day next week will help us with outreach, >> message and movement building. >> >> Example: >> HOUSING CRISIS >> Day one: >> Action at Chase with NYCC, Picture the homeless, etc.... >> Message: We demand an immediate end to all foreclosures! >> >> All of this can be framed in the 99% movement. >> >> When 1% control the wealth, XXX % are kicked out their homes, and >> the 1% make XXXX$$$. >> We the 99% will not be silent. >>

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WAR Another day...When 1% control our political system we have endless wars that benefit the insert corporate profiteer here....(Action at bank or other profiting from war) we do it with CodePink and other Education... when 1%control the wealth we have over crowding in schools.... reach out to teachers, etc.. action at appropriate bank benefiting off education crisis,, DROP the DEBT on Student LOANS...

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> wrote: > I agree that stop all foreclosures is stronger. Why just elderly or > sick > everyone needs their homes. > > > > On Sep 22, 2011, at 1:14 PM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think this is good, and will allow more people to put aside their > excuses > and join in. I think the moratorium on foreclosures should be extended > to > "all owner occupied homes" -- this must be done for the sake of social > stability until we can get millions of people back to work, and reverse > the > collapse. > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I have a proposal: maybe it would help if we drafted an open letter to >> the >> American People. >> >> I wrote a rough draft. What do you think? If this is something that >> you'd >> like to see the GA agree on, please say so. >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> A MESSAGE TO AMERICA FROM THE PEOPLE'S ASSEMBLY IN ZUCOTTI PARK >> >> Dear fellow Americans, >> >> We are assembled in Zucotti Park - which we've renamed Liberty Plaza >> in >> the financial district of New York, because we believe that the >> American

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>> economy is heading in the wrong direction and we have a few ideas for >> what >> to do about it. >> >> There is a feeling shared by a growing number of people on the streets >> of >> the world that the global economy has become a kind of Ponzi scheme, a >> global casino, run by and for the benefit of the 1%. >> >> We believe that it is possible to inject justice into the global >> economy. >> We have come up with the following list of things that can be done >> right now >> to rejuvenate democracy and economic justice in our country: >> >> Halt foreclosures for the unemployed, sick and elderly >> >> Increase funding to public services by taxing the richest 1% >> >> Forgive all student loan debt >> >> Reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act in order to control speculation >> >> Work with the other G20 nations to implement a 1% "Robin Hood" tax on >> all financial transactions and currency trades >> >> Ban high-frequency 'flash' trading and bring sanity to the markets >> >> Break up the "too big to fail" banks that threaten our future >> >> Arrest the financial fraudsters responsible for the 2008 meltdown and >> bring them to justice >> >> Ordain a Presidential Commission tasked with ending the influence >> corporate money has on our elected representatives in Washington >> >> If you agree with any of these demands, then join us! >> >> We will stay here in our encampment in Liberty Plaza until President >> Obama >> responds to each of these demands. >> >> This is just the beginning, there is more to come as we work together >> to >> reshape America. >> >> --- The People's Assembly of New York City > > > > -> Diane Sare > cell: 201-220-7731 >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 4:54:39 PM

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On 09/23/11, Tarak Kauff<takauff@gmail.com> wrote: I have been arrested for civil resistance a good number of times and also organized quite a few effective actions with Veteran For Peace and others. Not taking any sides in this discussion below (I don't know the specifics) but we do not treat the police, in general, as enemies. That approach is totally counter productive. Yes, stand up for your 1st amendment rights, but abusive behavior, attitude and language directed at the cops is counterproductive and quite often instigated by provocateurs. It is also not keeping with the principles of nonviolent action. And I am aware (very much) that being in police custody is no picnic and quite often police power is abused. However, if they act like abusive asses, we do not have to respond in kind. When a person or persons become abusive they lose their dignity. I hope as a movement and as individuals, we can maintain our dignity and not fall to that level. We do recognize, who the police work for (the system) who they serve very often as as a front line of oppression for, that there is corruption. racism, brutality and bigotry within the police force, yet we also recognize that there are many decent, hard working honest men and women on the force - also many who are sympathetic to what most of us stand for and I have met many like that on the force. The police are not the enemy. The corporate capitalist system controlling every aspect of out lives is. Please do not assume that all cops are bastards - they are not. We will greatly further this revolutionary movement if we do not automatically set up a we vs them atmosphere, especially with individual police. At some point, we will need the police (or at least some of them) as part of the working class, to come over to our side. Again, it is one thing to stand up firmly to police abuse in any form but we do not have to assume that all individual cops are automatically in that place. Of course, if you out front give them a lot of shit, they will be more predisposed to act that way. That said, keep up the great and inspiring revolutionary work you are all doing. I am uplifted when I am down there with all of you. See you all this weekend. In Solidarity, Tarak Veterans For Peace

On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Harrison Schultz wrote: THIS IS AWESOME!!! I'm so there! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast.

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On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing: Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel. The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up. I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for selfreflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody. NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: I honestly doubt there will be more than a dozen people. If there were more, at least, I'd take it as an opportunity for education.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Five demands and banks Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:53:07 PM

We want everyone to have democracy, human dignity, liberty, peace, food, education, healthcare, art, culture, and fun.
What do you think? On 09/22/11, Martin<comrademartin@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Folks, The issue of demands and vision is an important subject and I'd like to give my $.02. We are not politicians! We don't need to write or lobby for legislation! Our Demands and Vision can be concise without the use of ambiguous left wing jargon. Here' an example: We Want Universal Housing! We Want Universal Education! We Want Universal Healthcare! We Want Universal access to Good Food! We Want Peace Abroad and Liberty at Home! We Want Universal Access to Arts, Culture and Fun! We Want Universal Human Dignity and Real Democracy! This list isn't a final draft but I wanted to get the point across. Often people raise the concern that declaring what we want is too radical. I think its honest and clear. Find a working or unemployed person and see if they disagree with this. The dominant political discourse says people would be scarred to death of these socialist policies. Leave that for the democratic strategists to worry about. We want to make the world we carry in our hearts! In Solidarity, Martin

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Friday, September 23, 2011 4:16:05 PM

Yes we should demand an amendment to the constitution to end corporate personhood (the amendment os necessary because personhood was created by the supreme court).

On 09/23/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: What do you mean? Corporate personhood is a major problem too and should be included. There are other demands that should be elaborated further. Please, DO NOT STOP at one demand and keep thinking, writing and discussing. In solidarity, Cesar On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:41 AM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: the strongest support I seen both online and at the park is to abolish corporate personhood have we been hijacked? Quoting Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com>: > This sounds great!! and is suitable for immediate implementation. It > would solve the problems of a lot of people. Of course, this is not > exclusive of longer-term and deeper social and economical > transformations that we should start first in our hearts and minds. > Cesar > > On Sep 20, 7:52 pm, Snafu <sn...@thething.it> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I >> was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! >> >> I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA >> on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR >> debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the >> protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are >> probably motivated by merely ideological motives. >> >> Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the >> current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have >> clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern >> autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In >> Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there >> have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular >> the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol >> have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set >> of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing >> the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records >> transparent, and so forth. >> >> As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA

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should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act, a law regulating the bank system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 2007--2011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass--Steagall_Act 2) *Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax*on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has "come of age." (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hood-tax-economi...) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) *Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains *by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracketyour income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-ric...) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social movement is much more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a

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majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Outreach Monday, September 19, 2011 8:59:48 PM

Eric and the food committee have done an amazing job collecting huge piles of food and even cash. Maybe we should should be feeding those who are truly hungry. Although, as some have pointed out we are a little far from real people, we cold probably attract some people that really need to eat to the square. And it may be good to take food to neighborhoods where food is likely to be needed. I considered the idea of setting up a soup kitchen on the sidewalk in front of Trinity Church, but I think it would be patronizing. We don't feed people for press, but because we are trying to help our fellow humans. I love all you people! On 09/19/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: in the style of having the paper over their face in some way so they can't be immediately recognized. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:38 AM, gwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Also, for a street action, I thought it might be good to go around with a mobile phone, sharpies and paper and ask people to write down why they are the 99%, take their photo and send it to the wearethe99percent tumblr and cross post on all other media as well.... NYC natives are TOTALLY behind this in everyway as we have to deal with Wall Street types in every area of our lives and the people who work for those institutions are as douchy as the missions that they serve, and everyone you will meet on the street has an amazing story. It will really resonate with people across the country/world as well, who are all watching this intensely and supporting us with their hearts, minds, dreams, wishes, and hopes. If I can get a twitter list of people doing this and they just send the photos to their twitter streams I will take care of sending to the 99% tumblr so that they all wind up at the right place with minimal effort. -priscilla On Sep 19, 11:24 am, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > I wont be able to make a meeting today-- but I am down for anything during > the day during this week, just let me know. Also, any action at that > conference will be covered by all the internets as it is being held by > Mashable-- make it loud, peaceful and proud. > > mucho amor to all of you-priscilla > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivecha...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes. We need to do outreach... This looks good.

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> Is anybody up for an outreach meeting later today? We need a flyer > and we need to be talking to the 99%. > > > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > What does the group think about going to this conference for outreach and > publicity to call people downtown?http://mashable.com/sgs/possible action > there since there are so many corporate sponsors?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Rock promoter offering bands for saturday Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:12:43 PM

Any permitting should be done in another spot. Even if they accidently gave us a permit for Liberty Square the police would use the expiration of the permit to sweep us out.

On 09/21/11, Harrison Schultz<schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Awesome, but a permit, really? I guess it would be pretty funny to apply for a permit in a space we've already forced our way into and occupied!!! H.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:17 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: A friend of mine who is a local rock promoter has a few bands he will offer up to play for free on Saturday if there is a legal permitted space with a stage... let me know. Luv and mucho besos to all of you incredible people On Sep 21, 2011 8:37 AM, "Harrison Schultz" <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: > Report from Bill "Rad/Left" Csapo: > > Beautiful news from Vermont - Expect and prepare for reinforcements from > Vermont. They are bringing in musicians in and they want to keep them > constantly playing. We've had an offer from Tom Pvasilis he owns commercial > type bakeries in NYC he has a 25,000 square foot kitchen, an anarchist > collective of 250 volunteers, an air refrigerated truck to keep food, > hot/cold, and allegedly a lot of cash he wants to donate to keeping the > protesters at Liberty square fed. Tom McCoy, presumably of Vermont say's > we're inspiring people all over the country to take action. > > We'll someone please relay this message to Chris on the food Committee and > have him contact Bill "Rad/Left" Csapo ASAP!!! > > 423 650 1398 > bill@occupywallst.org > wcsapo@gmail.com > > I say we kick this up a notch comrades!!! > > Love and Rage, > > Harrison

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Rock promoter offering bands for saturday Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:13:59 PM

So as the author of this original thread I propose that it end, next topic. On Sep 21, 2011 5:12 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:31:03 PM

We are floating ideas not making decisions for the GA

On 09/20/11, Will Canine<willcanine@gmail.com> wrote: due respect to everyone on this email, but you dont get to make this decision. the general assembly (wich includes all of you, and a lot of others as well) does. any attempt from this email group to craft a set of demands or whatever would be disingenuous at best.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I agree with Micah about why we need demands, but let's try and keep some perspective on what the size and significance of this encampment is. "The world is waiting to hear your demands." Yes, we are getting a lot of media coverage, but let's not kid ourselves that this is truly a "decisive moment" on a global scale, or that Obama is somehow going to feel the need to personally respond to this (he won't). We are too small for that! In order to grow this movement, when this ends, we are going to need to go back to our jobs, neighborhoods and schools and begin building a lasting movement. This is (with all due respect to Micah) what was missing from the initial Adbusters call, which was insanely over-optimistic about how many people this could turn out. Adbusters called for 20k on Wall St - we got under 1k at the peak. Luis from Democracia Real Ya, who has been participating in the encampment, has been pointing out how much on-the-ground work went into preparing for Puerta del Sol. We need to be doing the same thing on a daily basis over the long term in order to make a real mass movement possible - and one is imminently possible, but it will take sustained organizing on the ground. Doug

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot understand WHY to occupywallstreet. Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy, then the assembly must be able to set demands. Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that will inspire the nation. We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands. Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how to improve things. Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the nation. Micah

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On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world. Our power comes from the example we set not from demands. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: > "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a > powerful statement. > > Solidarity, > ~ FluxRostrum > > Current Project > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com > > Home Base > http://Fluxview.com > > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>: > >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the >> plaza. >> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand. >> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands. Right now, the world needs >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise everyone >> is >> going to start ignoring you. You can also release your long-term demands, >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave >> the >> plaza. >> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is >> a >> powerful statement. >> >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza. >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible. >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the >>> legal team.
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Come to the 1pm General Assembly. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity > with > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be more > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the event > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more > noted > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical > presence. > > Just my two cents. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target >> Wall >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the >> encampment if >> we lost the connection to Wall St. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow < disorganizecm@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up >>> Broadway will >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow. >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined >>>> by the >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as >>>> soon as

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>>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery >>>>> Park? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm? >>>> >>> >> > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:26:17 PM

Maybe it would be smart to relaocate to Union Sq at the same time as adopting the 99% message, and say that we want to be closer to real people? Union Sq is a very central and politically aware place. I do have reservations about leaving wall st also, though so it will take some thought. Another target to look at is the Battery City Financial Center, although that is even more disconnected from real life.

On 09/20/11, Mellow Yellow<disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity with many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be more ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the event we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more noted amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical presence. Just my two cents.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if we lost the connection to Wall St. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will frustrate Police efforts to follow. See you oguys there as soon as I can

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery Park?

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:12:46 PM

I have been hoping that the GA could serve as a unifying force that could bring all of the fractured opposition in the face of a machine that has only one agenda and few divisions. (If the GA agrees with this idea) we need to think about how this would work. It may be that the "only individuals" rule is the best way, but it is possible that there would be more effective ways of linking with like minded organizations. This is a big decision that should be well discussed. At least those that are so adamant that this rule should be followed should explain their reasoning. (If I missed the explanation at previous meetings i apologize.)

On 09/20/11, Alexa O'Brien<alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote: You and me share similar sentiment,however , I was practically disinvited from my second assembly meeting by Marissa the facilitator for introducing myself as an individual and admin of US Day of Rage... GA needs its facilitators to practice less subjective patronage based on their own agendas. Part of the reason the ga has lost quite a bit of credibility with people is it's lack of equanimity and self centered navel gazing IMO. In my personal capacity (and I make that very clear distinction because usdayofrage is non partisan and ultimately wants only citizens to make campaign contributions etc) I have many family and friends that are union leadership or rank and file. I will make some calls if you wish.

On Sep 20, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > Just as a quick question - who are we kidding? We're talking of > working with teamster locals, with other unions, with other groups and > collectives. Are we not making a false dichotomy where somehow > individuals and collectives can't exist at the same time? > > On Sep 20, 7:52 pm, "Alexa D. O'Brien" <alexaobr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> It should be made clear that if the SEIU "join" the movement, they join then >> as individuals and not as a group, since the GA has essentially ostracized >> every other group and avoided forming coalitions. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasboster...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Do we have a press release? Union representatives from SEIU have contacted >>> me showing interest in joining our movement. They asked for some general >>> information including a press release. >> >>> Lucas >> >> ->> alexaobr...@gmail.comwww.alexaobrien.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Yoni Golijov september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:58:31 PM

Using the money to feed people who really need food is an excellent idea I think, I don't know how many of them are near wall st so it would require concentrated outreach work to soup kitchens and/or churchs where people normally go looking for food, / other thoughts? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:48 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
Are flyers really more important than feeding people?

On 09/20/11, Alexa D. O'Brien<alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote:

Donate to the wall street occupation support@usdayofrage.org 347 640 0925 Paging Publius. #occupywallstreet has FLYER FUND. DONATEhttp://bit.ly/oo538N

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: I recently posted a message suggesting that we try to feed the hungry, but no one seems to have commented on it. If we have $6000, I would like to suggest the idea one more time. I feel it would amount tom putting our money where our mouth is.

On 09/20/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin Wedes has access to the account. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the front of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone home. Nobody else in my office is sympathetic to the occupation so I've got to be sneaky. Rock on, Jon On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Who can print flyers? We need thousands.

-alexaobrien@gmail.com www.alexaobrien.com

-yOni

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Yoni Golijov september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:59:41 PM

Also people who are homeless could be invited to sleep at Liberty park, not to use them but to invite them as equals and people who the system has utterly failed, housing is a human right, and Hoovervilles were because people actually were homeless, thoughts? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Yoni Golijov <aycofspades@gmail.com> wrote: Using the money to feed people who really need food is an excellent idea I think, I don't know how many of them are near wall st so it would require concentrated outreach work to soup kitchens and/or churchs where people normally go looking for food, / other thoughts? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:48 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
Are flyers really more important than feeding people?

On 09/20/11, Alexa D. O'Brien<alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote:

Donate to the wall street occupation support@usdayofrage.org 347 640 0925 Paging Publius. #occupywallstreet has FLYER FUND. DONATEhttp://bit.ly/oo538N

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: I recently posted a message suggesting that we try to feed the hungry, but no one seems to have commented on it. If we have $6000, I would like to suggest the idea one more time. I feel it would amount tom putting our money where our mouth is.

On 09/20/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin Wedes has access to the account. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the front of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone home. Nobody else in my office is sympathetic to the occupation so I've got to be sneaky. Rock on, Jon On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Who can print flyers? We need thousands.

-alexaobrien@gmail.com www.alexaobrien.com

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-yOni

-yOni

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:22:14 AM

regarding one possible very effective use of money... perhaps a contest for artists - $100 - $300 award for most powerful graphic or slogan.. to be used to promote this movement. also, this may be outrageously expensive... but who knows... maybe a company sympathetic to cause would be willing to donate old equipment... or sell deeply discounted... to get around sound amplification issue, maybe we can use what the zoo, museums, tour guides and the UN uses.... wireless headsets for the meetings, debates, special guest speakers, etc.... maybe even have translator headsets? just did a google search and attached some links. we would of course need LOTS of these (and a way and procedure to charge the batteries etc)... but just an idea to help us get around this important sound amplification issue ------------------http://www.articlesbase.com/international-business-articles/translation-headsets-interpreter-headphones-how-they-are-used2661973.html http://www.barinas.com/ http://www.m-rcom.com/index.php http://www.ubiqus.com/site/GB/Services/Services/Interpretation,C2796,I2795.htm? KM_Session=9f2e571d58cf9371ca7cf358d5854fd1 http://www.ubiqus.com/site/GB/Services/Services/Audience_Response_and_Mobile_Phone_Conference_Texting,C2875,I2796.htm? KM_Session=9f2e571d58cf9371ca7cf358d5854fd1 http://www.abbn.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=WSPFA&Category_Code=GLS http://www.guideport.com/sennheiser/guideport_eng.nsf/root/museum-exhibition-headphones-guide.html http://www.m-rcom.com/interpretation-equipment-hire.php or find a translation/interpretor services company that has old equipment they're willing to donate/sell http://www.mfmci.com/sis.html http://latranslation.com/interpreters/international-conference-call-services http://www.trustedtranslations.com/translation-services/onsite-interpretation.asp http://tembua.com/Conference http://www.easyworldnet.com/eng/interpreti.html http://www.conferencelanguageservices.com/interpreting.html http://www.axistranslations.com/conference-interpreter.html http://www.kworks.in/interpretation.htm On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Alexa D. O'Brien <alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote: > Jem, > Don't be a retard. The food fund has 15,000 in it. Spare us. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:48 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> Are flyers really more important than feeding people? >> >> >> On 09/20/11, Alexa D. O'Brien<alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote: >> Donate to the wall street occupation support@usdayofrage.org 347 640 0925 >> Paging Publius. #occupywallstreet has FLYER FUND. DONATEhttp://bit.ly/oo538N >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> I recently posted a message suggesting that we try to feed the hungry, >>> but no one seems to have commented on it. If we have $6000, I would like to >>> suggest the idea one more time. I feel it would amount tom putting our >>> money where our mouth is. >>> >>> >>> On 09/20/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin Wedes >>> has access to the account.

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>>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the front >>>> of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone home. Nobody else >>>> in my office is sympathetic to the occupation so I've got to be sneaky. >>>> >>>> Rock on, >>>> Jon >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter >>>> <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Who can print flyers? We need thousands. >>> >> >> >> >> ->> alexaobrien@gmail.com >> www.alexaobrien.com > > > > -> alexaobrien@gmail.com > www.alexaobrien.com >

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